[MD] Instant Karma

[kieffer odigaunt]

Marsha, i have always liked Taoism - and was keen on Buddhism too for a long
time - Krishnamurti though i found cuts through the dogma and avoids the
woolly mysticism. I just dont think there is another shore though for
Kieffer - when he dies all his patterns will disintegrate except for the
ones he leaves in other peoples minds.

-KO

2008/11/28 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>

>
> KO,
>
> I sometimes pretend to be angry.  I hardly ever am.  But of course now that
> I've said that, I will be tested.
>
> I think the raft parable concerns what should be done once you have reached
> the other shore.  I just pointed out that a raft is useful to help get
> across.
>
> I am very taken by Eastern thought.  I have been since I first read
> Krishnamurti some twenty-five years ago.  I don't know how to explain my
> attraction.  It was intense right from the beginning.
>
> Sorry I didn't mean to confuse you.
>
>
> Marsha
>
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> At 02:56 AM 11/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Marsha, i am impressed by your reply - that you didnt react angrily to my
>> dismissal of your passage; but i still cannot take anything useful from
>> your
>> parable.
>>
>> -KO
>>
>> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>>
>> > At 01:49 PM 11/27/2008, KO wrote:
>> >
>> >  Marsha, you know i was referring to Pao-t'ung's message;
>> >> all those other shores, true sources, original face, unborn,
>> >> free spirits, etc etc - it is too vague.
>> >>
>> >
>> > KO,
>> >
>> > I presented this quote because it refers to the raft parable, that is,
>> > needing assistance until one realizes fully.
>> >
>> >
>> >  And the last two sentences - why does he have to be so
>> >> obscure?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Some of the MOQ seems obscure.  Is it?
>> >
>> >
>> >  I suppose if all that stuff doesnt make sense to me that
>> >> must mean that i am not spiritual enough, or not
>> >> compassionate enough, or not sensitive enough.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Not so.  It may mean that you are not familiar with the raft parable and
>> > its association.
>> >
>> >
>> >  I like the Tao Te Ching alright but that passage only
>> >> depresses me.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I would imagine that raft comes in many shapes and colors.  The MOQ
>> would
>> > be one of them.
>> >
>> >
>> >  I cant give you an interpretation because
>> >> the passage is just too inpenetrable for me.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Okay.  I thought there was some in particular you wanted to challenge.
>> >
>> > (continued below)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  2008/11/27 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > KO,
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd be curious to what message you are questioning, and your
>> >> interpretation
>> >> > of it?
>> >> >
>> >> > Marsha
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 05:23 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Marhsa, are you open to the idea that the message may
>> >> >>be misleading, impractical and impossible;
>> >>
>> >
>> > I am open to the fact that the message may be beyond my understanding.
>>  I
>> > worry about this.  I sometimes wish I had a teacher, but I've heard
>> RamDas
>> > say a teacher will play to the expectations of the student.  -  No, I do
>> not
>> > think it is impractical.  Impossible?  Sometimes.
>> >
>> >
>> >  >>  it is scary to cast off ideas that we have clung
>> >> >> to for years.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sometimes it's hard, sometimes it easy.  Sometimes it is hard because
>> it's
>> > so easy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
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