[MD] Commie Talk and USA bashing?

[Woods Woods]

[Chris:]
....The _real_ free market I don't think is around anywhere 
anymore because people know it leads to hell on earth. However I'm actually 
talking about the basic values that make up the market as such, and in the 
US those values are far more central than here.


woods:
    Why would the free market lead to "hell on earth"?  
    Also, how are "...US... values... far more central..." than say socialism 
that puts more of the oversight and power in the gov't.  Sure, socialism 
says the community, but it is appointed gov't that would have to centralize 
such control necessary to coordinate community efforts.  That's more central.  
What do you mean?


Chris:
The core of Marxism is the idea that we humans can reorganise ourselves and 
the way we live, the way our society is made up. The idea is that we can 
make the shift from a human society that is based on and circles around the 
accumulation of material wealth to one where this is not a goal in itself.

woods:
   I like this.  That's a good effort.  
   What I mentioned about gold back monetary system (limits accumulation of wealth due to limited supply 
of gold and other metals, thus, the value of money/currency goes up) and sales tax 
only allows for more freedom and a way to jump out of this monetary accumulation 
of wealth march in order to focus back on other important activities in life.  How else 
this helps is during this economic crisis people are not hamstringed or locked into 
being forced to pay out money to the gov't and we have an escape plan.  Don't have 
that money, plant a garden, get by with trading, go hunting, etc... Given this opportunity 
to explore other means of living other than forced into accumulating money due to taxes 
does just that - gives more opportunity.  The system of living is not narrowed by 
only one way, which currently is you must get money.


Chris:
At the core lies the idea that if we can change the social norms (the social 
static values)  in that society, then we can create a better future for 
humanity. The idea is a balanced MOQ society, where there is balance between 
the levels, but where they are ordered  hierarchal just the way they should, 
and thus not a society where social level values such as profit is allowed 
to dictate how people can develop their understanding of things.


woods:
   If that's all Marxism is, then it sounds good.  But I think there is something else 
to Marxism.  Something more than an what you injected as "...a balanced MOQ society...".  
We know Marx wouldn't have said that.  He didn't know the moq.  So, are you overlaying and 
changing Marxism into an idea that you like, maybe not so much a Marxism that Karl Marx 
discussed?

woods