[MD] Commie Talk and USA bashing?

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

Woods, Arlo almost always has some Quality input, and this post was just 
great.
Of course it's a problem that SOM thinking doesn't  have DQ anywhere. But 
you could have SOM thinking and say that any system needs to be able to be 
flexible if the need arises, and then we would be at pretty much the same 
level there. Nothing IS dynamic as in DQ. Stuff can have easier or harder to 
see new aspects of Quality though. That's all.

Chris
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> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Woods Woods <woodswoods8 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Commie Talk and USA bashing?
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> Arlo:
> Marx believed that man's oppression was caused by social structures,
> rather than seeing that those social structures are themselves there
> because of "present construction of systematic thought", and this is
> why Marxist revolutions failed (IMO) and left in the place of the
> structures they overthrew militant and aggressive dictatorships. They
> attacked the structures of society but not the underlying cause, the
> metaphysical systems that create alienating and oppressive structures.
>
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> woods:
>
>    You nailed it!  That's what I think Platt, Chris, and I are converging 
> upon
> using real events as examples.  This economic crisis is loud enough that
> many people can see the problems first-hand and can see the problems
> much more easily now.  We know this problem has been here for some time,
> but it was subtle to most people.  Most people knew and know something
> is not right, but what?  What can we point out is the problem?  As you 
> said,
> Arlo recently, we need to point out what we are fighting or struggling 
> against.
> I think with this loud economic crisis it's easier to talk to other people 
> about
> what the problem is, because we all have the same real-time events to
> point out and show in real-time how these problems are playing out.  A 
> crisis
> has a tendency to show so clearly what the problem is.  Unfortunately, it 
> takes
> a crisis to sometimes get people off the hot stove.
>    Also, as we've been pointing out, U.S. capitalism has it's faults too. 
> It's
> the intellectual system, and I would have to against the grain in what 
> Chris said
> about dynamic quality and how we don't have to bring it up, but it's 
> important
> to bring it up to remember that dq is present, is here.  SOM's 
> non-recognition of Dq
> is a major part of why SOM doesn't work, too.
>    But I have a feeling Chris would agree with this.
>
>
> woods