[MD] Shouldn?t we be, like, revolting ?

[Joseph Maurer]

On Friday 10 October 2008 12:20 AM Bo writes to Woods:

<snip>

The point is how intellectual value at times leaves social value paralyzed.
Intellectually (objectively) seen no one is responsible or can be punished,
there's no free will, we are results of either upbringing or genes
(nurture/nature) which is an offshoot of the Subject/Object dichotomy.
 
Bo

Hi Bo, Woods, and all,

I would like to expand Bo¹s point of paralysis at the social level a little
further.

IMO the evolution to Consciousness/self-awareness reveals DQ in the
conceptualization of a Social level.  Consciousness at the social level is
empty of outside content. I am aware of myself. I become a slave to my
wants. 

I evolve to an intellectual level of law.  From the intellectual level a
further evolution to enlightenment, is possible which prevents paralysis at
the social level and stopping further evolution.

Enlightenment fulfills social reality. Fulfilled social reality can then
evolve to a higher intellectual reality.  This is only accomplished by
heroes since the mechanical concepts of the intellect mistakenly seem to
satisfy the self-awareness of the social level, and the urge to be perfect
is smothered.  

Mechanical behavior at the intellectual level occurs and I forget who I am.
My conceptualizations are only from what I learned at my mother¹s knee or
what I see through the glasses which culture hands me. This results in
mechanical behavior. I am not free. I am not aware of the concept. I forget
myself.  Instead of actions from the motivation of a conscious being from
the social level, I am an unconscious slave.  I cease to evolve further.

The intellectual level then becomes a memory, losing the consciousness of
self from the social level, paralyzing the social level and becoming
mechanical. I forget myself. The loneliness which drives the social level to
slavery is ignored at the intellectual level, and in the seeming wealth of
ideas evolution stops.  Ideas, like freedom, demand interpretations of
conscious attention from the intellectual level.  Otherwise they are
mechanical like the mathematical computations of AI.

DQ/SQ, Undefined/Defined, Conscious/Mechanical are analogous metaphysical
interpretations.

Joe



On 10/10/08 12:20 AM, "skutvik at online.no" <skutvik at online.no> wrote:

> Hi Woods
> 
> On 9 Oct. 
> 
>> You guys havin' fun.
> 
> Don't take notice of Craig he's just taking advantage of the "whatever
> you say can be used against you" clause :-)
> 
> Regarding the madman he is still at large, but not roaming the woods
> (!) with the axe raised. The local police has threatened to resign and
> the minister of justice is to appear before a hearing. The point is how
> intellectual value at times leaves social value paralyzed. Intellectually
> (objectively) seen no one is responsible or can be punished, there's no
> free will, we are results of either upbringing or genes (nurture/nature)
> which is an offshoot of the Subject/Object dichotomy.
> 
> Bo    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Woods Woods <woodswoods8 at yahoo.com>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 10:17:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Shouldn?t we be, like, revolting ?
>> 
>> 
>> woods:
>> 
>>     What the heck are you people talking about?  An axe is pointy and
>> violent, ya know.
>> 
>> 
>> woods
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:10:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Shouldn?t we be, like, revolting ?
>> 
>> [Bo]
>>> Right now in Norway there is a case where a
>>> notorious madman attacks people with an axe
>> 
>> [woods]
>>> Where is this madman now?  Is he still in the public free to roam?
>> 
>> craig
>> "that's my axe as you may know."
>> [Bo, Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:22:51]
>> 
>> [Krimel]
>> "Be careful with that axe, Eugene."
>> - Pink Floyd
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