[MD] Catching up to Pirsig

[MarshaV]

DMB,

I am not sure I disagreed with Krimel, but 
suggested that his was one way to look at it.

I think there is a danger of overlaying the 
evolutionary-pattern on everything that wiggles 
in front of Science.  Like all theories, it will 
be outlived by a better theory.  There seems to 
be two religions wanting to orchestrate patterns 
these days, theism which is the weaker, and 
Science which is the stronger and totally 
subsidized and supported by the state and 
corporate structures, and science has domain over 
every aspect of our lives.  I think it was Andre, 
that has used 'dust in the wind' as a very good 
MOQ metaphor, static patterns are like dust, DQ 
is like the wind, and all patterns, and that 
includes theories, are dust in the wind.

William James and Alan Watts were both very good men.

It's a pleasure to disagree with you for a change, David.


Marsha





At 06:45 PM 4/13/2009, you wrote:

>Krimel said to Marsha:
>...the explosion of new applications of 
>evolutionary theory that you cite is clear 
>evidence of the dynamic quality of the theory. 
>It is static patterns that often give rise to 
>ever more interesting examples of dynamic 
>quality. For example language is entirely 
>composed of static pattern and yet out of it 
>grow that infinite generativity of speech and 
>writing. It is in fact the presence of static 
>patterns that give rise to ever more astounding examples of dynamic quality.
>
>
>dmb says:
>Hey, here's something marvelous and rare. I 
>agree with you. The explosion of applications 
>isn't just evidence of the dynamic quality of 
>the theory, though. It is also evidence for the 
>theory of dynamic quality. I mean, the fact that 
>evolutionary theory can be applied so widely 
>supports the MOQ's expansion to include 
>literally everything. As the old SNL fake news 
>joke shows, the process of evolution operates 
>differently in areas outside biology. "The 
>world's leading evolutionary biologist died 
>today... And was replaced by a larger, stronger 
>evolutionary biologist." Or to use your example, 
>words themselves don't strive to survive by 
>tooth and claw and yet the theory can be adapted 
>to language. Some scientists already describe 
>the unfolding of the physical universe in terms 
>of evolution and they do so, I suppose, without 
>any help from the MOQ. Seems like things are 
>generally moving in that direction and the 
>diversity of applications will probably continue to grow.
>In a Alan Watts podcast I heard recently, he 
>explained that the East and West are divided by 
>a difference in their basic conceptions of how 
>the world came to be. We in the West have what's 
>called a "ceramic" conception of creation, where 
>inert stuff is shaped or made as a potter does. 
>God is the creator and we are among the created 
>things. You know, Adam was made from the dust. 
>In this conception reality is a collection of 
>artifacts. Made by who and for what purpose? In 
>the East, reality isn't a collection of nouns. 
>Its a verb. Creatures aren't made. They come 
>into being through action, through processes in 
>which they are actors. Reality is a dance, not a 
>structure. It comes to be from within, so to 
>speak, rather than being manufactured by 
>something outside itself. I mention this because 
>I think the MOQ's expansion of evolution to 
>include literally everything fits more 
>comfortably with the Eastern conception. Imagine 
>Darwinism in that context and that'd be close to 
>the what the MOQ is saying. Or so it seems to me.
>
>
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