[MD] Catching up to Pirsig

[kieffer odigaunt]

Marsha, i have never said i think science is the be all and end all. Science
as you point out is constantly under revue, amendment and enhancement. I
dont believe i have exhibited a lack of humility - all i did was say my
point of view. I just think that the scientific approach has yielded more
for people than the religious, and it has sense to it whereas religion for
me makes little sense.

-KO

2009/4/14 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>

>
> KO,
>
> Yes he is a scientist.  I never totally dis'd or dismissed science.  I like
> science.  I just believe science, even evolution, can be challenged.  There
> is nothing absolute about the current scientific points-of-view, and I
> resent the lack of humility.
>
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
> At 11:02 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
>
>> And Mr Lovelock is a scientist.
>>
>> -KO
>>
>> 2009/4/14 MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>>
>> >
>> > Platt,
>> >
>> > Betterness from the point-of-view of 'this world' as compared to the
>> > betterness of DQ's total freedom?  Is this the betterness missing?  Well
>> you
>> > may be correct.  There doesn't seem to be any consideration for
>> stability in
>> > most of the scientific drive for economic progress.  I like better James
>> > Lovelock's Gaia point-of-view, which says that in the end Earth will
>> survive
>> > as it is a self-correcting system.  Mr. Lovelock is also optimistic in
>> > thinking that there will be humans that survive too.  And the Gaia
>> > hypothesis seems more like the MOQ interrelationship between static and
>> > dynamic forces.
>> >
>> >
>> > Marsha
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 10:21 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Marsha,
>> >>
>> >> "But static patterns, nevertheless, provide a necessary stabilizing
>> force
>> >> to protect Dynamic progress from degeneration. Although Dynamic
>> Quality,
>> >> the Quality of freedom, creates this world in which we live, these
>> >> patterns
>> >> of static quality, the quality of order, preserve our world. Neither
>> >> static
>> >> nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other." (Lila, 9)
>> >>
>> >> Does this passage answer your question?
>> >>
>> >> Platt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Platt,
>> >> >
>> >> > Does RMP specifically use the word 'progress'?  Is freedom always
>> >> > progress?  From what point-of-view?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Marsha
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 09:11 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote:
>> >> > >Hi Marsha, KO, DMB, et al:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >The big thing missing from current evolution theories and
>> applications
>> >> > is
>> >> > >any notion of things getting better or, as we MOQer's believe,
>> progress
>> >> > >towards greater freedom and versatility. It has always bothered me
>> that
>> >> > >precious little attention is paid to ever expanding consciousness
>> over
>> >> > time
>> >> > >from the first little wiggle of life to the worldly mind of a Mozart
>> or
>> >> > an
>> >> > >Einstein. In other words, science, totally dependent on measurable
>> >> > surface
>> >> > >data, has largely been unable to deal with the steady evolutionary
>> >> > >expansion of interior awareness, the real indicator of Dynamic
>> >> > progress,
>> >> > >"Are you better off as a woman than a mouse?" The MOQ answer: "You
>> >> > betcha."
>> >> > >That's progress!
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Platt
>> >>
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