[MD] Breathe

[Louise Pryor]

When your metaphysics can be expressed in these kinds of words, melding with
practical reality, it reads like poetry, and becomes something that I can
grasp.

This is the kind of poetry that made me fall in love with you, my dear,
wacky, quirky, often times infuriating husband.

Lu

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:40 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ron,
>
>
> Ron said in response to a Needleman Quote on the study of Spinoza:
>
>
> John,
>
> Quality is like that,
>
>  But what I found interesting was how the form of ethics
>
> created a "state of mind" consequently a state of emotion.
>
>
> the quality of form is therefore important
>
>
> form like intent
>
>
> like desire
>
>
> love
>
>
> -Ron
>
>
> -------------------------------
>
>
> Thanks Ron,
>
>
> As I was reading the quote about the ethics, I was trying to picture how it
> could be organic.  So I pictured a comprehensive description of being, a
> way
> of organizing thought that reflected the organic wholeness of the cosmos,
> sun energy hitting a leaf, carbon compounding, air passing through, then to
> animals, back to plants, then to animals, back to plants.  In.  Out.
> Breathe. I got it.  The Ethics is organic because it follows Nature.   It's
> what I think I want to say with my Biocentricism and Deep Ecology.   Does
> Pirsig postulate a Source of Value?  Yes he does.  Nature.
>
>
> Sometimes referred to as the biological level and relegated to "lower"
> status than society or intellect, but everything comes from Nature
> including
> us with our intellects and our society's.  So why the denigration?
>
>
> I think the real answer for this lies in the doctrines of the historical
> Christian Church.   Man has a fallen "nature".  The flesh is wicked, evil
> and wrong.  That is just about at the heart and soul of modern
> Christianity.  The sinful flesh that needs a redeemer, and thus needs your
> dollars to support televangelism.
>
>
> Well there's really nothing like that in the bible.  And there was
> certainly
> nothing like that in Christ's words.  And the MoQ reveals the entire idea
> as
> ridiculous.  Flesh has sin?  Molecules have sin?  Sin can only be an
> intellectual choice, it resides at a completely different level than
> biology.
>
>
> "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."  That's the way
> the story goes.  And God pronounced it GOOD.  There it is.  Creation is
> Good.  Since it's the only reality we know, if we believe in God, the only
> God we can experience is Creation.  Creation is God's will manifest and
> man's duty to God can only be expressed by duty to Creation.
>
>
> And how is this duty impressed and expressed?  The impression of duty comes
> from resonation with the cosmic harmony of a living cosmos.  An organistic,
> living cosmos - and man's biocentric values in harmony with this cosmos, is
> what defines a Quality Metaphysics.  Placing positive value within man's
> grasp.  Making explicit the metaphysical existence of Good as continengent
> for life and making that living cosmos of man/universe in unity the only
> expression of "God" needed  logically or psychologically.
>
>
> DQ is the harmony heard when your mind is in tune with the cosmic life
> which
> birthed you and swallows you again.
>
>
> Historically man has needed to express this relation and deceivers have
> needed to repress this relation for their own ends, since the word began.
> The analogies are endless and the labels as many as their are distinct
> cultures in the past.
>
>
> All that human striving pointing  to something, some higher value in life,
> in order to be life.
>
>
>  We cannot resist metaphysical conceptualization.  Especially  if like me
> you aren't allowed to get drunk and pick up bar ladies.  Then you need more
> than twice as much metaphysical conceptualization just to keep your greedy
> soul satisfied.  This driving need conceptualize and conceptualize and keep
> on conceptualizing till there is no more left, from the little itsy bitsy
> particles to the great big flowing universes, we just gotta conceptualize
> as
> much as we can.
>
>
> In. Out.   Breathe.
>
>
> And then we die.
>
>
>
> yay us.
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