[MD] Breathe

[X Acto]

John, Lu,
In Lila, near the end, Phaedrus talks about how religions make sense in MoQ
terms, by the social suppresion of low quality biological patterns. 
In christianities case, it developed an intellectual justification to suppress
all patterns. This, I find in Plato's theory of forms which after reading alot
of Plato I have come to the conclusion that it was widely misunderstood
and as the neoplatonists,Plontious and the building on it to spinoza developed,
The realm of ideal form became heaven, the form of the ideal human, christ.
the world of experience, the world of appearances,  the realm of the deciever.
-Ron






 


----- Original Message ----
From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 3:40:04 PM
Subject: [MD] Breathe

Ron,


Ron said in response to a Needleman Quote on the study of Spinoza:


John,

Quality is like that,

But what I found interesting was how the form of ethics

created a "state of mind" consequently a state of emotion.


the quality of form is therefore important


form like intent


like desire


love


-Ron


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Thanks Ron,


As I was reading the quote about the ethics, I was trying to picture how it
could be organic.  So I pictured a comprehensive description of being, a way
of organizing thought that reflected the organic wholeness of the cosmos,
sun energy hitting a leaf, carbon compounding, air passing through, then to
animals, back to plants, then to animals, back to plants.  In.  Out.
Breathe. I got it.  The Ethics is organic because it follows Nature.  It's
what I think I want to say with my Biocentricism and Deep Ecology.  Does
Pirsig postulate a Source of Value?  Yes he does.  Nature.


Sometimes referred to as the biological level and relegated to "lower"
status than society or intellect, but everything comes from Nature including
us with our intellects and our society's.  So why the denigration?


I think the real answer for this lies in the doctrines of the historical
Christian Church.  Man has a fallen "nature".  The flesh is wicked, evil
and wrong.  That is just about at the heart and soul of modern
Christianity.  The sinful flesh that needs a redeemer, and thus needs your
dollars to support televangelism.


Well there's really nothing like that in the bible.  And there was certainly
nothing like that in Christ's words.  And the MoQ reveals the entire idea as
ridiculous.  Flesh has sin?  Molecules have sin?  Sin can only be an
intellectual choice, it resides at a completely different level than
biology.


"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."  That's the way
the story goes.  And God pronounced it GOOD.  There it is.  Creation is
Good.  Since it's the only reality we know, if we believe in God, the only
God we can experience is Creation.  Creation is God's will manifest and
man's duty to God can only be expressed by duty to Creation.


And how is this duty impressed and expressed?  The impression of duty comes
from resonation with the cosmic harmony of a living cosmos.  An organistic,
living cosmos - and man's biocentric values in harmony with this cosmos, is
what defines a Quality Metaphysics.  Placing positive value within man's
grasp.  Making explicit the metaphysical existence of Good as continengent
for life and making that living cosmos of man/universe in unity the only
expression of "God" needed  logically or psychologically.


DQ is the harmony heard when your mind is in tune with the cosmic life which
birthed you and swallows you again.


Historically man has needed to express this relation and deceivers have
needed to repress this relation for their own ends, since the word began.
The analogies are endless and the labels as many as their are distinct
cultures in the past.


All that human striving pointing  to something, some higher value in life,
in order to be life.


We cannot resist metaphysical conceptualization.  Especially  if like me
you aren't allowed to get drunk and pick up bar ladies.  Then you need more
than twice as much metaphysical conceptualization just to keep your greedy
soul satisfied.  This driving need conceptualize and conceptualize and keep
on conceptualizing till there is no more left, from the little itsy bitsy
particles to the great big flowing universes, we just gotta conceptualize as
much as we can.


In. Out.  Breathe.


And then we die.



yay us.
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