[MD] Introspection

[MarshaV]

Or maybe it's a method of being aware of experience.   



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"Introspective Observation"  Is this just another fancy-shmancy way of
saying "know thyself"?  Cuz I been getting that a lot from that guy lately.
John



On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
>
> "Introspective Observation is what we have to rely on first and foremost
> and
> always."
>      (W.James)
>
>
> So the James quote, a famous one at that, gets no comment against the Wiki
> Behaviorists' dismissal?
>
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
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> Marsha quotes James:
>
> Here's a quote I particularly like, "Introspective Observation is what we
> have to rely on first and foremost and always."
>
> Ron:
> I looked up the term "introspective" and found some very
> interesting comments
> from wiki:
>
> "Behaviorists claimed that introspection was unreliable and that the
> subject
> matter
> of scientific psychology should be strictly operationalized in an
objective
> and
> measurable way. This then led psychology to focus on measurable behavior
> rather
> than consciousness or sensation.[1] Cognitive psychology accepts the use
of
> the
> scientific method, but often rejects introspection as a valid method of
> investigation for this reason, especially concerning the causes of
behavior
> and choice."
>
> "On the other hand, introspection can be considered a valid tool for the
> development
> of scientific hypotheses and theoretical models, in particular in
cognitive
> sciences
> and engineering. In practice, functional (goal-oriented) computational
> modeling and
> computer simulation design of meta-reasoning and metacognition are closely
> connected
> with the introspective experiences of researchers and engineers."
>
> "Introspection was used by German physiologist Wilhelm Wundt in the
> experimental
> psychology laboratory he had founded in Leipzig in 1879. Wundt believed
> that
> by
> using introspection in his experiments he would gather information into
how
> the
> subjects' minds were working, thus he wanted to examine the mind into its
> basic
> elements. Wundt did not invent this way of looking into an individual's
> mind
>
> through their experiences; rather, it can date to Socrates. Wundt's
> distinctive
> contribution was to take this method into the experimental arena and thus
> into
> the newly formed field of psychology."
>
> "In Eastern Christianity, some of the concepts critical to addressing the
> needs
> of man such as sober introspection, called nepsis, are specific to
> watchfulness
> of the human heart and address the conflicts of the human nous, heart or
> mind.
> Also noetic understanding can not be circumvented nor satisfied by
> rationalizing
> or discursive thought (i.e. systemization)."
>
> Some interesting terms associated with introspection:
>
> "choice theory"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice_theory
> which looks alot like a rough MoQ
>
>
> a list of cognitive biases we all tend towards
> in our static filtering that one should keep in mind
> in introspective observation
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
>
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