[MD] Introspection

[Ian Glendinning]

Or maybe just

"the unexamined life ain't worth diddly squat"

Ian

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:48 PM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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> Or maybe it's a method of being aware of experience.
>
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
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> "Introspective Observation"  Is this just another fancy-shmancy way of
> saying "know thyself"?  Cuz I been getting that a lot from that guy lately.
> John
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>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> "Introspective Observation is what we have to rely on first and foremost
>> and
>> always."
>>      (W.James)
>>
>>
>> So the James quote, a famous one at that, gets no comment against the Wiki
>> Behaviorists' dismissal?
>>
>>
>>
>> Marsha
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>>
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>> Subject: [MD] Introspection
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>> Marsha quotes James:
>>
>> Here's a quote I particularly like, "Introspective Observation is what we
>> have to rely on first and foremost and always."
>>
>> Ron:
>> I looked up the term "introspective" and found some very
>> interesting comments
>> from wiki:
>>
>> "Behaviorists claimed that introspection was unreliable and that the
>> subject
>> matter
>> of scientific psychology should be strictly operationalized in an
> objective
>> and
>> measurable way. This then led psychology to focus on measurable behavior
>> rather
>> than consciousness or sensation.[1] Cognitive psychology accepts the use
> of
>> the
>> scientific method, but often rejects introspection as a valid method of
>> investigation for this reason, especially concerning the causes of
> behavior
>> and choice."
>>
>> "On the other hand, introspection can be considered a valid tool for the
>> development
>> of scientific hypotheses and theoretical models, in particular in
> cognitive
>> sciences
>> and engineering. In practice, functional (goal-oriented) computational
>> modeling and
>> computer simulation design of meta-reasoning and metacognition are closely
>> connected
>> with the introspective experiences of researchers and engineers."
>>
>> "Introspection was used by German physiologist Wilhelm Wundt in the
>> experimental
>> psychology laboratory he had founded in Leipzig in 1879. Wundt believed
>> that
>> by
>> using introspection in his experiments he would gather information into
> how
>> the
>> subjects' minds were working, thus he wanted to examine the mind into its
>> basic
>> elements. Wundt did not invent this way of looking into an individual's
>> mind
>>
>> through their experiences; rather, it can date to Socrates. Wundt's
>> distinctive
>> contribution was to take this method into the experimental arena and thus
>> into
>> the newly formed field of psychology."
>>
>> "In Eastern Christianity, some of the concepts critical to addressing the
>> needs
>> of man such as sober introspection, called nepsis, are specific to
>> watchfulness
>> of the human heart and address the conflicts of the human nous, heart or
>> mind.
>> Also noetic understanding can not be circumvented nor satisfied by
>> rationalizing
>> or discursive thought (i.e. systemization)."
>>
>> Some interesting terms associated with introspection:
>>
>> "choice theory"
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice_theory
>> which looks alot like a rough MoQ
>>
>>
>> a list of cognitive biases we all tend towards
>> in our static filtering that one should keep in mind
>> in introspective observation
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
>>
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