[MD] Philosophy and Philosophology

[Ham Priday]

Hi Marsha --


> Greetings Ham,
>
> How about the mind?  I thought first the body(brain(senses
> and memory)), but they are conceptually, constructed patterns.
> It does seem that those patterns have us.

Indeed, how ABOUT the mind? ...the conscious awareness of "being in a 
relational world." Those "constructed patterns" represent the Value WE bring 
into existence as finite beingness.  They are our experience of the physical 
universe.

Because Value "has us", WE have the UNIVERSE!

[Marsha adds]:
> Maybe it would be better to say mind/consciousness, and that
> sets up a nice relationship.  Mind/consciousness cannot exist
> without patterns, and patterns cannot exist without mind/consciousness.

No, Marsha.  "Mind/consciousness" is redundant.  The mind IS conscious 
awareness.  Let's not get confused about proprietary (subjective) awareness. 
But let's not dismiss it, as Pirsig did..

[Marsha adds something from Ant's PhD]:
> As Pirsig rejects both mind-substance (i.e. the 'ghost') and
> matter-substance (i.e. the 'machine') oriented ontologies of the world,
> he employs one underpinned by value based events, Quality is
> considered the source of subjects and objects and can be regarded
> as a Dynamic event (1995a, p.12); an 'event at which the subject
> becomes aware of the object.'  (ZMM, 1974a, p.239)
> These Quality events (or processes), therefore, obtain the status as
> the fundamental unit or 'primitives' of the universe and provide
> a unity between the observer and the observed; knowing mind and
> object.
(A Critical Analysis of Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality,2005,Watts,
p.133)

If you can comprehend all that, you're a better philosophologist than I am.

Thanks, Marsha.

--Ham