[MD] Villains

[MarshaV]

Greetings Otto,

I think biological patterns are more likely to be unconscious, but then
social patterns also tend to be unconscious.  When aware of one's
intellectual patterns, it seems one is not in the grips of those patterns,
so I don't know.  

Do you think there is a 'world domination by the human species'?  


Marsha




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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Otto Zequeira
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Subject: Re: [MD] Villains

Thanks for the reply, Marsha.  Are dynamic, intellectual and social quality
stronger than the biological quality of villains?  I think I just answered
that question for myself by writing it.  Is the current world domination of
by the human species a proof?

Otto

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> Otto,
>
> Isn't a mean guy a collection of static patterns related to an individual
> mind/brain. And it doesn't mean that social, intellectual and dynamic
> morality cannot construct a defense against that mean guy.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
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> Subject: [MD] Villains
>
> Dear all:
>
> How are you?  I hope you're doing well.
>
> In chapter 8 of ZAM, Pirsig wrote, "There's no villain, no "mean guy" who
> wants (us) to live meaningless lives, it's just that the structure, the
> system demands it...".
>
> Are there no villains, and just systems?  Are there no people who are
aware
> of the dangers or possible negative consequences of rationality and
proceed
> to act in such a direction due to self-interest, placing biological
> morality
> over social, intellectual and dynamic morality?
>
> Otto
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