[MD] Consciousness (explained?)

[MarshaV]

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ham Priday
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Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?)


Dear Marsha --


Greetings Ham,

>  
> Marsha:
> If you are saying that "value sensibility" is equivalent to
> 'experience' which RMP has said is a synonym for
> Quality(Dynamic and static), then I should think I can
> agree with you.

Ham:
Value sensibility is what you ARE.   

Marsha:
If you are saying experience/Quality(Dynamic and static) is what I am, I'm
going to confidently agree and leave it at that.  There's no need in my mind
to go any further at the moment.  I'm just happy to find agreement.


Regards,
Marsha



You are not Value itself, you only 
stand in awe of it.  Value, like Sensibility, Truth, Potentiality and 
Absoluteness is One in Essence.  The individual human being is separated 
from this Oneness -- has to be in order to appreciate it peripherally, from 
the "outside".  The role of the individual self is to be an 'agent' of 
Value, that is, value-sensibility.

Pirsig postulated that pure Quality (Value) is "pre-intellectual 
experience."   This is epistemologically incorrect.  We don't "experience" 
Value, we "sense" it.  What we experience are the phenomena (things and 
happenings) that represent pure Value in existence.  This experience is 
different for each self, which is why my conscious awareness is not your 
consciousness.  Proprietary experience converts sensible Value into the 
appearance of an objective universe relative to the self.  Although this 
self-constructed valuistic image is our finite cognizance of reality (it 
can't be anything more), sensibility draws us to Ultimate Reality, the 
source of all experienced beingness.

I hope this makes my ontology clear enough to reach a more confident 
decision.

Thanks, Marsha.

Ham


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