[MD] The relativity of the MoQ

[John Carl]

I think I follow you Marsha,
Where you associate intellect as an abstract pattern from the intellectual
level, I merely add that the value of any intellectual pattern on that level
is relative to how true it is.  If it is not very true, then it has little
intellectual value.  If it is very true, then it has high intellectual
value.  Thus Truth is the "direction" on the intellectual axis, just as
"good" is a direction on the quality axis.





On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:36 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Hi John,
>
> To keep it straight in my tiny skull, I think of intelligence as a process,
> an activity, and I associate intellect with a type of abstract pattern from
> the Intellectual Level.
>
> While I see that an independent, enduring self is an illusion, I do believe
> there is more to an individual than patterns.  There is an awareness that
> is
> separate from patterns.  I can experience it, but I'm not sure how to
> define
> it.
>
> I do not understand what you mean when you talk of truth as related to
> intellect, because I associate intellect with a type of abstract pattern.
> I'm not sure we are sharing like definitions.  For example, in a given
> situation it would be using intelligence to apply the most appropriate
> social pattern.  While in the same situation it might be a total lack of
> intelligence to apply a intellectual pattern.  Am I making sense?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Marsha,
>
>
> > That last remark was really to John who suggested that truth is the
> highest
> > quality of intellect. NOT!  At least, not for me.
> >
> >
> Biology has the highest value of procreation.  Society worships celebrity
> and for any intellectual statement there is no higher value than truth.
>
> Now, in this formulation, an individual contains biological, social and
> intellectual patterns, but an individual is more then their patterns.
>
> So I agree with you, that a person's highest value is DQ, but an
> intellect's
> highest value is truth.  Intellect is alienated from experience, whereas a
> person is not.  Does that make more sense formulated that way?
>
> John the person
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