[MD] Overcoming the System

[markhsmit]

Hi Matt,
What I hear is a thoughtful questioning of logical reality.

I see it as a personal journey.  If one can find like minded
philosophers to join in, so much the better.  Much more is
created though a group.  It would seem to me that any
encapsulated logical system will have flaws as seen
from outside such a pattern.  This does not negate
the philosophy, it simply has taken another path.

Terms such as life, and nature are no different from God,
or essence.  They rest on the self.  We have a clash between
so called objective proof (as typified by the sciences) and 
subjective proof as typified by philosophy.

There is also mystical proof, the basis of which is Unbelief.
This type of proof may be outside both objective and 
subjective criteria.  It may simply just be.  Certainly don't
take my word for it, for they are just words.  Go find out
for yourself.

Cheers
Willblake2

On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:21:46 PM, "Matt Kundert" <pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com> wrote:
Now, one _can_ call the human organism a "system." Yeah, 
sure, easy as pie now to answer the question, "can you 
create a system which includes the two?"--nature already 
did. That's my favorite part about Douglas Adams' story--the 
computer system that was going to tell us the Question to 
Life, the Universe, and Everything was, the Earth. But calling 
a human a "system," and building from there, doesn't seem to 
get to the nub of my concern.

"So, is an all revealing system of systems possible?"

Sure, call it "life," and you can rest easy and go do the dishes.

"Many of those in deep mystical or religious or philosophic 
thought believe so, and have found it."

Yeah, but why should we take their word for it?

Are you going to take mine?

Matt