[MD] Percepts and Concepts

[Ian Glendinning]

Ha, Kat.

I was about to suggest to John to maybe cut the newbie some slack, but
I see you are perfectly capable of looking after yourself ;-)

Ian

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Kat P<kmp_cats at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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> Hi John,
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> You said, in response to this:
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>> > Kat said to John and Ham:
>> > I think that this (Arlo's point) is a very good point. I don't think that
>> > you can define art as an expression of emotion in a form other than words. I
>> > think that art is anything that is high-Quality. This would then include, as
>> > Arlo says, gardening, fixing motorcycles, engineering etc, and would mean
>> > that philosophy wasn't excluded as a form of art either. ... I hope that
>> > seeing the arguments from both sides of this dicussion all together will
>> > allow people to come to their own decision about what art is.
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>> > dmb (Dave) says:
>> > Right, I think he made a very good point too
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> You:
>> well honestly my reaction is like, duh, has anybody on this forum ever heard
>> of this book called, zen and the ART of motorcycle maintenance??? It's a
>> very catchy title, equating art with mechanical maintenance (maintenance no
>> less - nothing as unglamourous as mechanic doing maintenance) but the author
>> meant more than just mentioning the two concepts in juxtaposition to sell
>> more books, he actually made some pretty darn good points in there about
>> sculpting rotisseries and whatnot.
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>> sheesh.
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> I guess I may have overestimated people. I thought that they would take what is said about art, scuplting rotisseries and 'what not' in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance into account anyway, because that is why we are here after all, and it was a pretty obvious part of the book. I was simply trying to put together some of the personal opinions that had been stated. I personally think that ZMM has a very good definition of art.
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>> dmb]
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>> and I'm especially fond of the idea that philosophy is an art form. Or
>> > rather, the idea that it can be.
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>> john]
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>> I wouldn't be surprised if just about every great philosopher and thinker
>> from Socrates onward would agree with you. What does "liberal arts" mean?
>> Painting? but never mind all that. The question to ask of those who
>> believe in art, is ... is it any good? How can it be made better?
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> 'How can it be made better?' is a hard question to answer, but it gets harder as the product gets better. Of course, not being able to define quality makes it all the harder.
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> Kat.
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