[MD] Percepts and Concepts

[John Carl]

Good point Ian!


On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Ian Glendinning
<ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ha, Kat.
>
> I was about to suggest to John to maybe cut the newbie some slack, but
> I see you are perfectly capable of looking after yourself ;-)
>
> Ian
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Kat P<kmp_cats at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> >
> >
> > You said, in response to this:
> >
> >> > Kat said to John and Ham:
> >> > I think that this (Arlo's point) is a very good point. I don't think
> that
> >> > you can define art as an expression of emotion in a form other than
> words. I
> >> > think that art is anything that is high-Quality. This would then
> include, as
> >> > Arlo says, gardening, fixing motorcycles, engineering etc, and would
> mean
> >> > that philosophy wasn't excluded as a form of art either. ... I hope
> that
> >> > seeing the arguments from both sides of this dicussion all together
> will
> >> > allow people to come to their own decision about what art is.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > dmb (Dave) says:
> >> > Right, I think he made a very good point too
> >
> >
> >
> > You:
> >> well honestly my reaction is like, duh, has anybody on this forum ever
> heard
> >> of this book called, zen and the ART of motorcycle maintenance??? It's a
> >> very catchy title, equating art with mechanical maintenance (maintenance
> no
> >> less - nothing as unglamourous as mechanic doing maintenance) but the
> author
> >> meant more than just mentioning the two concepts in juxtaposition to
> sell
> >> more books, he actually made some pretty darn good points in there about
> >> sculpting rotisseries and whatnot.
> >>
> >> sheesh.
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess I may have overestimated people. I thought that they would take
> what is said about art, scuplting rotisseries and 'what not' in Zen and the
> Art of Motorcycle Maintenance into account anyway, because that is why we
> are here after all, and it was a pretty obvious part of the book. I was
> simply trying to put together some of the personal opinions that had been
> stated. I personally think that ZMM has a very good definition of art.
> >
> >
> >> dmb]
> >>
> >> and I'm especially fond of the idea that philosophy is an art form. Or
> >> > rather, the idea that it can be.
> >>
> >>
> >> john]
> >>
> >> I wouldn't be surprised if just about every great philosopher and
> thinker
> >> from Socrates onward would agree with you. What does "liberal arts"
> mean?
> >> Painting? but never mind all that. The question to ask of those who
> >> believe in art, is ... is it any good? How can it be made better?
> >
> >
> >
> > 'How can it be made better?' is a hard question to answer, but it gets
> harder as the product gets better. Of course, not being able to define
> quality makes it all the harder.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kat.
> >
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