[MD] Empirical and Historical

[craigerb at comcast.net]

[Steve] 
> DQ as pre-intellectual makes sense from the empirical perspective 
> where time itself is not a given but derived from experience. From 
> this perspective ideas come first 
[Craig, previously] 
> This seems contradictory.   If the empirical perspective is 
> “pre-intellectual”, then how can it be a perspective where 
> “ideas come first”? 
[Steve] 
>   Ideas come first as in the dynamic/static split. They are the first 
> static patterns 

Pirsig mentions carbon static patterns, which must preceed ideas by 
millions of years. 
Craig