[MD] Empirical and Historical

[Platt Holden]

Hey Ron, Bo:

Maybe there are two MOQ's. 1) the mystic MOQ of direct experience, 2) the
idea MOQ consisting of DQ/SQ with a hierarchy of static patterns.

MOQ 1 is monism, without pattern, consisting solely of value.

MOQ 2 is dualism, patterned, consisting of many ideas.

Question: Where does MOQ 2 belong in the MOQ 2 hierarchy of levels?

Answer: Not in the intellectual level because the MOQ cannot be a part of
itself.. So MOQ 2 must be in a metal-level, or perhaps the level of art
Pirsig briefly mentioned.

Just some ideas to kick around.

Platt





On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Ron:
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> > the idea of anything coming before experience
> > is, in fact,  an idea.
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> Craig:
> So the idea of experience comes before experience?
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> Ron:
> Read again. experience comes before any idea of it.
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> This idea is called MoQ
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> the experience of now is reality.
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> ________________________________
> From: "craigerb at comcast.net" <craigerb at comcast.net>
> To: moq discuss <moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:25:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Empirical and Historical
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> From the historical point of view: Carbon (billions of years ago)
> Idea of the helicopter (16 th century) Idea of carbon (19 th century)
> Helicopter (20 th century)
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> Let’s say the historical point of view itself is an idea, so it’s
> somewhere in the above sequence.   But this gives us no reason
> to reverse the priority of carbon & the idea of carbon.
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> [Xacto]
>
> > the idea of anything coming before experience
> > is, in fact,  an idea.
>
>
>
> Let’s say the historical point of view itself is an idea, so it’s
> somewhere in the above sequence.   But this gives us no reason
> to reverse the priority of carbon & the idea of carbon.
>
>
> [Xacto]
>
> > the idea of anything coming before experience
> > is, in fact,  an idea.
>
>
>
>
>
> So the idea of experience comes before experience?
>
> Craig
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