[MD] Another parallel

[Dan Glover]

Hi John
 
In Steve Hagen's book Buddhism Plain and Simple he offers a picture of "something" and instructs the reader to keep looking at the picture until they "see" what it is. His point: you cannot use reason; either you see it or you don't. And once you see it, there is no doubt about it. You "know" beyond a shadow of reason what it is you're looking at. I think that is analogous to what Robert Pirsig is saying. When we're confronted with raw unfiltered direct experience we tend to rationalize it away. Reason is a static defense mechanism that becomes our central reality. The central reality of the MOQ, though, is not reason.
 
Hope this is reasonable...
 
Dan

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> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:00:07 -0700
> From: ridgecoyote at gmail.com
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Another parallel
>
>>
>> "The central reality of the MOQ not an object or a subject of anything
>> else. It is understood by direct experience only and not by reasoning of
>> any kind." (LC,132)
>>
>
> Wow. Great dialogue. Lots to think about. But now I'm thinking I may
> disagree with the Great Man Himself.
>
> "ANY reasoning of ANY kind"??? How do you know unless you've tried them
> all? The act of trying to fit Quality into SOM
> is a kind of reasoning. The Zen Koan is a kind of reasoning as one
> wrestles with the S/O split until one is too tired to fight anymore. There
> are lots of kinds of reasonings beyond SOMish ways. You'd have to have
> some sort of mind in order to comprehend the central reality of the MoQ, and
> a mind without reasoning is like a computer without software. A computer
> without software is known as a doorstop. A mind without reason is even
> less.
>
> Y'all have to explain that one to me.
>
> John the befuddled.
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