[MD] How to Be Rid of SOM, Forever

[John Carl]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Todd A. Carter
<tcarter at activelinkarts.com>wrote:

Ah, but the struggle lies in all the stuff that gets cast away by your
> "paradigm" allowing you to minimize the details to a point where you can
> conceptualize.  How do you "let it all in?"  How do we remove the filters
> of
> experience, of society, of biology, of the inorganic so that we can truly
> experience the world (or whatever is really out there.)
>

My point is that it is no struggle at all to let all the stuff in.  Most of
the time my paradigm filters work exactly right, without conscious effort.
 Even if I assume there is something important I'm missing, it's not missed
till my attention is drawn to it.



>
> The MOQ gives an excellent tool-set for divining "reality."  It only has a
> name "MOQ" so that the "SOM" can consider it.
>

Excellent tool-set indeed.  I agree.  And even if my divination of reality
is incomplete - a differing viewpoint is extremely valuable for the
contextual insight -  The comparative religion thing - the Zen AND the Art.

It sounds to me like you have a good handle on things, Todd.  Better than
many who have been posting here for eons.


>
> I know I'm new and I'm using terms that I've not fully internalized, yet.
>
> I'm likin' this stuff.
>
> Todd


"New" is good; it's dynamic.  Whereas "internalized" is just another word
for static attachment.  And "likin' this stuff" is best of all.  Caring IS
Quality.  Glad to hear from you Todd.  Welcome to the discussion.

John



>
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> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MD] How to Be Rid of SOM, Forever
>
> Hi Marsha and thanks,
> First, my Oregon Creek is in California.  It's a just about the perfect
> size
> to be considered a "creek" and flows into the middle fork of the Yuba River
> where Hwy 49 crosses.   It's also less than a 5 minute drive from my house,
> which absolutely makes it the best swimming hole in the world.  All my kids
> learned to swim there.
>
>
> >
> > One July I spent two sunny weeks (business trip) in Oregon, and it was
> very
> > beautiful.  I spent one of the weekend days driving down the coast and
> > back.
> > Gorgeous coastline!
> >
> > I have just one question. Do you need to turn over all those arising
> > thoughts to awareness?  Of course thoughts like "Bear!!!" will be
> > insistent,
> > but most are not worthy of center stage.  Imho.
>
>
> "Worthy" is a value judgement, eh?  And in order to apply judgement to a
> thought, you have to have the thought in the first place.  So... let's
> suppose I've got this thought to be evaluated and I decide upon reflection
> that it's not worthy.  So I cast it off.  The entire process flits by in a
> moment but while all this is going on in the moment, it's a "center stage"
> phenomena.  I don't see any way around it, normally.  The one solution I
> can
> imagine is figuring out what is worthy and keeping it center stage.  I
> guess
> that's like focusing on a mantra or somesuch, but I'm not at all sure that
> whatever  thoughts arise out of my immediate environmental relationship are
> less worthy than a preconceptualized  Ommmmmmm.....
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