[MD] Evolution

[MarshaV]

Greetings Joe,

What is not relative?  I might wonder what put you into a seminary for 12
years?  I was very small when I sensed there was something behind the words
and explanations: the moon, the Absolute, Dynamic Quality.  Not this, not
that, and certainly not a metaphysics.  

  And what is good, Phædrus,
  And what is not good...
  Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? 

Did you find the explanations for circling the moon satisfying? Creation?
Evolution?  I'd say: not this, not that.  

I love the Metaphysics of Quality, an inquiry into morals.    
 
 
Marsha 
  
 




 
 
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On 7/19/09 12:43 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

Hi Marsha and all,

My thought as I typed ³Absolute² was that Pirsig tied morals to evolution.
On my copy of Lila the subtitle is AN INQUIRY INTO MORALS.  My sense is that
for Pirsig evolution is not speculation, but the metaphysical description
for levels of Quality.  These levels become the metaphysical basis for
morality.  Is it that just metaphysical descriptions are subject to
evolution, or are social laws?  My thought is that the members of society
are also evolving or have already evolved to the intellectual level and
beyond (Bo¹s meta-level).   IMO the basis for morality transcends cultural
differences so I used the word ³Absolute².   I would not defend it other
than in an evolutionary scenario.  I sincerely hope that explanation helps
relieve the ³troubling².

I realize now that mathematics¹ has broader conceptualizations, the
universe.  Maybe evolution is specific to Earth¹s inhabitants.  I do not
want to start a creation-evolution debate, even though morality may not be
specific to earth, when Worlds collide. IMO Pirsig avoided discussing any
origins for the moon¹s orbit around the earth.  But I have read some
explanations for the moon¹s orbit around Earth.

Joe

> Greetings Joe,
> 
> Isn't evolution also related to human conceptualization?  Where does the
> very word and definition of 'evolution' come from?  Isn't evolution merely
> the best intellectual (scientific) static pattern of value explaining the
> origin of life on Earth?  What about time?  Does evolution assume a
> relationship with time?  Is time an Absolute?  No, how can it be, is it
> related to change/motion?  Your view of evolution as Absolute on planet
> Earth is troubling.
> 
> Marsha
>  
> 
> 
> Hi Marsha and all.
> 
> My story is chance.   I studied in a Catholic Seminary, College and
> Monastery for 12 years. After 12 years of studying St Thomas Aquinas, I
> thought I knew Philosophy.  I was married to Louise after Anna was born.
We
> studied esotericism for 4 years with a lady who had studied with John
> Bennett. 
> 
> Louise decided to get a BA degree so she could get a better job, and in
the
> course of her studies Zen and the Art was suggested reading.  She told me
I
> would like it.  I did, and later I bought Lila in paperback.  Then by
chance
> I found the forum.
> 
> I was skeptical, but something in me resonates to Quality. I think
evolution
> is Absolute truth on planet Earth.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> Nothing wrong with conventional truth as long as I don't mistake it for
>> Absolute Truth.  Evolution is a great conventional truth.  It has a
> history,
>> it has changed over time, and will continue to change until it has too
> many
>> anomalies to survive. I like to think of everyday experience and
>> conventional truth like a kaleidoscope. Each shift exposes a different,
>> astounding view.  But I haven't always been so mellow.
>> 
>> What's your story Joe?  What moved you to philosophy?  What brought you
to
>> this forum?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
> 
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