[MD] How to Be Rid of SOM, Forever

[Ian Glendinning]

Todd, you said ...

> [The MOQ] only has a name "MOQ" so that the "SOM" can consider it.

That is a great statement - that's why we need "newbies" - welcome.

It's the root of a long long-standing circular argument with Bo - I
wonder of Bo can see it ?
Regards
Ian

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Todd A.
Carter<tcarter at activelinkarts.com> wrote:
> Ah, but the struggle lies in all the stuff that gets cast away by your
> "paradigm" allowing you to minimize the details to a point where you can
> conceptualize.  How do you "let it all in?"  How do we remove the filters of
> experience, of society, of biology, of the inorganic so that we can truly
> experience the world (or whatever is really out there.)
>
> The MOQ gives an excellent tool-set for divining "reality."  It only has a
> name "MOQ" so that the "SOM" can consider it.
>
> ----
>
> I know I'm new and I'm using terms that I've not fully internalized, yet.
>
> I'm likin' this stuff.
>
> Todd
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MD] How to Be Rid of SOM, Forever
>
> Hi Marsha and thanks,
> First, my Oregon Creek is in California.  It's a just about the perfect size
> to be considered a "creek" and flows into the middle fork of the Yuba River
> where Hwy 49 crosses.   It's also less than a 5 minute drive from my house,
> which absolutely makes it the best swimming hole in the world.  All my kids
> learned to swim there.
>
>
>>
>> One July I spent two sunny weeks (business trip) in Oregon, and it was
> very
>> beautiful.  I spent one of the weekend days driving down the coast and
>> back.
>> Gorgeous coastline!
>>
>> I have just one question. Do you need to turn over all those arising
>> thoughts to awareness?  Of course thoughts like "Bear!!!" will be
>> insistent,
>> but most are not worthy of center stage.  Imho.
>
>
> "Worthy" is a value judgement, eh?  And in order to apply judgement to a
> thought, you have to have the thought in the first place.  So... let's
> suppose I've got this thought to be evaluated and I decide upon reflection
> that it's not worthy.  So I cast it off.  The entire process flits by in a
> moment but while all this is going on in the moment, it's a "center stage"
> phenomena.  I don't see any way around it, normally.  The one solution I can
> imagine is figuring out what is worthy and keeping it center stage.  I guess
> that's like focusing on a mantra or somesuch, but I'm not at all sure that
> whatever  thoughts arise out of my immediate environmental relationship are
> less worthy than a preconceptualized  Ommmmmmm.....
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