[MD] John's Reading of Absolute Idealism Confirmed by Bob

[John Carl]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

You bring up idolitry, the defining of the indefineable. the living word
> the one that can not be spoken, smack of DQ. with the study of
> ancient Greek philosophy, the new testament takes on an entirely
> new meaning. Gnostic scriptures really emphasize this.
> religious writtings take on an entirely new dimension of meaning in
> these contexts.
>

Also, my reading of Ellul has informed my opinion of idolatry as being
"image oriented" as opposed to "word oriented" ways of communicating a
teaching.  The image is a "take it or leave it" presentation while words
require flexibility in reasoning and a willingness to listen.


> Ron:
> Interestingly, I recently had a conversation with a long time freind who
> became
> born again just this past year, I had said that the belief in jesus as the
> christ
> really did'nt have any bearing on the matter, he got huffy and proclaimed
> that
> belief in jesus as the christ, was the whole central theme. He said if you
> don't
> believe that jesus lived,was the son of god, died and was resurrected then
> your
> not a christian. I maintained that that was superflouse to the message, I
> said
> that the ideas expressed held more value, whether or not jesus actually
> existed
> was rather beside the point.
> He could not wrap his head around the idea that When you adopt a Pragmatic
> theory of meaning,
> objectively held truths fall to the side.
>

There's another good example of the difference between philosophy and
philosophology.  Most Christians don't really care to get into the meaning
of Christ's words or the context or any of that stuff.  They just want to
utter the magic incantations and get their goodies.

I came across something similar recently in my philosophy readings.  It must
have been in Royce because he's really big on community, where he or whoever
said the real meaning of Christianity was not in the stories or person of
Christ, but in the creation of caring community.  I think that sums it up
nicely.


John the sum-mer



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