[MD] Empirical and Historical

[Joseph Maurer]

On 7/21/09 11:35 PM, "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:

Ham writes:

[Ham] 
What we "sense" is Value.  What we conceptualize (intellectually, after the
fact) are the existentially defined phenomena that experience creates
(valuistically).  The defined dynamic properties of existential phenomena
are what we call "empirical knowledge". But the ultimate source of
sensibility, value, change and difference is itself immutable.

[Ham]
Have I said anything here that contradicts the Quality premise of the MoQ?
If not, are these suggestions worth considering in the interest of clarity?
 
Respectfully submitted,
Ham
 

Hi Ham,

[Joe]
I am pursuing a thread on MOQ Evolution.  Your statement:  ³But the ultimate
source of sensibility, value, change and difference is itself immutable.²
is flat out contradicted by description of the evolution of QUALITY by
Pirsig.

Joe

 What we "sense" is Value.  What we conceptualize (intellectually, after the
> fact) are the existentially defined phenomena that experience creates
> (valuistically).  The defined dynamic properties of existential phenomena
> are what we call "empirical knowledge".  But the ultimate source of
> sensibility, value, change and difference is itself immutable.
> 
> Have I said anything here that contradicts the Quality premise of the MoQ?
> If not, are these suggestions worth considering in the interest of clarity?
> 
> Respectfully submitted,
> Ham