[MD] Moq Evolution

[MarshaV]

Hello Joe,

An interesting aspect of your posts is that I am never sure how to respond,
so I wing it.

Do I think Quality is moral?  I image it is totally moral.  When I am not
separate from Quality it feels to be, without exception, totally moral.  

What do I think about the MoQ Evolution?  I think it is an elegant part of
the RMP's metaphysics.  Beautiful in its modern intellectual explanation.
Coherent might be a good word.  But, Joe, I am not inspired by it on a
mystical level.  For me the Net of Jewels model is better, where the reason
for a pattern's existence is dependent on the existence of every other
pattern throughout all four levels (conventional reality).  Here's where,
not two truths, but the example of two maps might apply.  

It is also for the mystical experience, which should be common, not rare,
that I am led to want a meta-level. Intellectual patterns seem to block the
mystical experience.  If the MoQ view was seen above the Intellectual Level
it would be understood as fully and knowingly participating in the
conventional/patterned reality (all four levels) and also maintaining a
direct relationship with Ultimate/Dynamic Reality.  

The Subject/Object point-of-view with its me, me, me is insane.  And as far
as I'm concerned the Intellectual Level is subject/object through and
through.  Even within the new Quantum understanding, it is administered
steeped in objectivity and often laced with materialism.  I have sent for a
book, "Understanding the Uncertainty principle" to see what it says, but I
don't have much hope.  There are scientists that have jumped the fence and
running free, but they do not seem to be considered mainstream.  Of course I
am not a Quantum insider, and know what I know as someone not scientifically
or mathematically trained, just someone peering in a window. 

I love it when you write of seven levels.  I read a bit about harmony when I
was studying classical guitar, and I always think you are talking about
harmony and making beautiful music. 
 

Marsha








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Subject: Re: [MD] Moq Evolution




On 7/21/09 1:38 PM, "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

[Marsha:]
Evolution is a high quality intellectual (scientific) static pattern of
value concerned with the order of existence.
 
[Marsha:]
Holy Moly, I'm from Michigan too. Small world. My favorite place was Irish
Hills where my Oma lived on one of the Twin Lakes.

[Marsha:]
Reality?  I was in tears of joy with the best understanding of REALITY I
ever heard spoken by Lila: "...I'm whatever your questions turn me into. You
don't see that. It's your questions that make me who I am. If you think I'm
an angel then that's what I am. If you think I'm a whore then that's what I
am. I'm whatever you think. And if you change your mind about me then I
change too. So whatever Richard tells you, it's true. There's no way he can
lie about me."   -    Reality is whatever you think it is, there's no way
you can lie about it, and if you change your understanding of reality, then
reality changes too.

Hi Marsha and all,

[Joe]
I have changed the name of the subject to MOQ EVOLITION

[Joe]
Pirsig proposes four levels of evolution: inorganic, organic, social,
intellectual.  He also says that the penetration of the egg cell wall, by
the sperm cell, for reproduction is dynamic. DQ/SQ.  Morality is based on
evolution.  The difference in levels  from lower to higher is the basis for
a moral judgment. 

[Joe]
Bo proposes a meta-level is above intellect.  I am not sure.

[Joe]
Esoteric literature proposes seven levels for evolution using the musical
scale as an example. I am not sure but I think the musical scale was
attributed to Pythagoras.  I did not understand what I found in a Google
search.  

  

Joe

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