[MD] (Fwd) Re: John Carl Critiques Pure Experience:INST01

[Joseph Maurer]

On 7/30/09 1:56 PM, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Maurer <jhmau at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Joe the Plumber?  Actually, I've never met a humble plumber Joe, so you are
unique
 
> Hi John and all,
>
> I am a humble plumber!
>
 
Joe the Plumber?
 
[Joe]
For myself I try to keep DQ undefined, SQ defined in my awareness.  Latin
has a nice word [capio] I seize.  When I put the preposition [per]
[through] in front I get [percept].  This reminds me that I can know
something. When
I want to talk about it I put the preposition [cum] [with] in front to get
[concept].  I can¹t talk about my percept since it is personal to me and
hopefully I am unique.
 
[John]
Actually, I've never met a humble plumber before you Joe, so you are unique..

[John] 
Latinwise we find "concept" coming from "conceive", which gives me pregnant
pause to jump in with ideas about what ideas are. "Where do hypothesis come
from?" Is the same as "where do ideas come from?" which is the same as "how
do concepts arise?"
 
All questions with the same answer, "nobody knows".
 
[Joe]
But I assume I know something so I use a [concept] which approximates what I
know leaving out the personal experience. I know and I talk, are different
formulations.
 
[John]
yes but, according to William James the only thing you can talk about is
that which is grounded in personal experience. So don't leave it out or
you'll have to shut up!
 

Hi John and all,

[Joe]
Clever play on words!  There is undefined DQ awareness in every statement.
I want to identify that undefined as evolution.  I don¹t know that I want to
shut up!  I read Pirsig to say that evolution embodies personal experience
and comes in a hierarchy of 4 flavors.  How can I determine what I am acting
from?  Actions speak louder than words.  Am I way away from what James is
talking about?

[Joe] 
Latinwise No [p] in ³conceive².  I prefer ³capture².  And if "nobody knows"
What in hell are we talking about?

[Joe] 
The other consideration is:  Do we have in personal experience the basis of
what is DQ (moral action)?  Pirsig indicates that this moral sense is the
awareness in evolution.  Makes sense! What I am has some influence on what I
do.  I am reasonably confident that this is not outside of personal
experience as proposed by James even though in analysis it must remain
undefined.

[Joe]
This is undefined personal experience.  Is that enough to allow me to say
something, or am I toast?

 
Joe

> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Maurer <jhmau at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Joe the Plumber?  Actually, I've never met a humble plumber Joe, so you are
> unique
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Hi John and all,
>> 
>> I am a humble plumber!
>> 
> 
> 
> Joe the Plumber?