[MD] Perceptions: the deception of it all...

[John Carl]

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>> How is judgement related to Quality?    Judgement is our apprehension of
>> Quality? Judgement is the subjective realization of non-subjective
>> Quality?
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> Quality creates subject and object, so the subject judgement is secondary.


Metaphysically speaking, I agree.  But personally speaking, judgement occurs
to me first - it is primary.  If I perceive at all, it is out of some
judgement - even to the extent of  judging whether something I experience is
real or not, the first thing I sense is a judgement - a correspondence
 between consciousness and reality.  I can grasp this event as a creation of
Quality - but my primary experience of this Quality event is a judgement
that defines myself.

My apprehension of other is a form of judgement.  My judgement informs me of
me.

Like I said...

 Sigh.  So much to ponder, so little time.
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>> I admit my eyes sorta glaze over when someone tries to explain insight
>> using
>> words about something  beyond thought and language.  I mean, what IS the
>> point?
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> The point is experience without self-ego.



And the point of that is?  I'm not trying to be obstreperous.  It's just
that my self-ego seems to be a such a useful intellectual construct and
while I believe those who claim it is possible to transcend
self-consciousness I wonder in all sincerity, why? As long as I don't base
my metaphysical presuppositions on this handy creation, it seems useful for
walking around and dealing with the world in the way that occurs to me.  In
a minute, I'm gonna use mine to go brush my teeth for me.



>  Sure you can call it Quality.  You can call it anything and fall
>> into whatever word trap you prefer.  I'll  just go ahead and park in my
>> driveway.
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> Chopping wood might be nice.
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Well I tell you, last time I chopped wood my self-ego really came in handy.
 But lately I've been peeling poles cuz it's good therapy for a broken
pinky; chopping is too jarring.


>> "Abstract cleverness of mind only separates the thinker from the world of
>> reality, and that world, the Forest of Real Life, is in a desperate
>> condition now because of too many who think too much and care too little."
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> Yes, I could agree if you mean caring with head, heart and hand.


Absolutely.  I like that.  Head, heart and hands.

And pinkies.

And toes.

I mention toes because one of my big ones is being pounced upon and clawed
and bitten by a tiny kitten right now as I'm writing this, and I'm having to
take care to wiggle it carefully.

J

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The self is a point along a dynamic continuum, evolving toward Quality by
Choice.
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