[MD] Perceptions: the deception of it all...

[MarshaV]

At 05:30 PM 6/4/2009, you wrote:
>On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:24 PM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
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> > Greetings John,
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> > I believe Krishnamurti and David Bohm are trying to explain an insight that
> > is beyond thoughts and language, Quality perhaps, which, as you know, is
> > indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.  If your 'judgement' is of the
> > conceptual type then it is something other than immediate experience as I
> > know it.
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>Marsha this thing called "judgement" has been niggling at my brain since I
>joined this forum.  Royce talks about it a lot.
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>How is judgement related to Quality?    Judgement is our apprehension of
>Quality? Judgement is the subjective realization of non-subjective Quality?

Quality creates subject and object, so the subject judgement is secondary.



>Sigh.  So much to ponder, so little time.
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>I admit my eyes sorta glaze over when someone tries to explain insight using
>words about something  beyond thought and language.  I mean, what IS the
>point?

The point is experience without self-ego.


>Sure you can call it Quality.  You can call it anything and fall
>into whatever word trap you prefer.  I'll  just go ahead and park in my
>driveway.

Chopping wood might be nice.



>I'll leave you with a quote from a book I just finished that I hope you,
>Bohm, Krishnamurti, Pirsig and I would all appreciate:
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>"Abstract cleverness of mind only separates the thinker from the world of
>reality, and that world, the Forest of Real Life, is in a desperate
>condition now because of too many who think too much and care too little."

Yes, I could agree if you mean caring with head, heart and hand.


Marsha




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The self is a thought-flow of ever-changing, interrelated and 
interconnected, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual, 
static patterns of value responding to Dynamic Quality.

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