[MD] NAP

[MarshaV]

Ron, you've made an excellent point!!!


At 09:34 AM 6/8/2009, you wrote:
>Nick, You use the terms "Justice" and "liberty" 
>as though they stand for objective universal 
>truths. MoQ rejects objective universal views. -Ron



>Â  ________________________________ From: 
>blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com> To: 
>moq_discuss at moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, June 8, 
>2009 9:31:25 AM Subject: Re: [MD] NAP > Ron: > I 
>have only these quotes, which I agree with, to 
>provide an > understanding about > why I think 
>the idea of natural law and MoQ conflict. > by 
>Pierre Charron in his De la sagesse (1601): "The 
>sign of a > natural law must be the universal 
>respect in which it is held, for > if there was 
>anything that nature had truly commanded us to 
>do, we > would undoubtedly obey it universally: 
>not only would every nation > respect it, but 
>every individual. Instead there is nothing in 
>the > world that is not subject to contradiction 
>and dispute, nothing > that is not rejected, not 
>just by one nation, but by many; equally, > 
>there is nothing that is strange and (in the 
>opinion of many) > unnatural that is not 
>approved in many countries, and authorized by > 
>their customs." Nick: What Pierre Charron 
>doesn't realize is free-will.  Natural Law is 
>completely about free-will.  This is why when 
>natural law is understood those that violate it 
>are brought to justice.  Justice is born of 
>Liberty.  Pierre Charron seems to be talking 
>about Newtonian applications of natural law 
>which completely perverts it's real meaning. 
>Ron: > And > "Aristotle > Greek philosophy 
>emphasized the distinction between "nature" > 
>(physis, φúσις) on the one hand and "law", 
>"custom", or > "convention" (nomos, νóμος) 
>on the other. What the law > commanded varied 
>from place to place, but what was "by nature" > 
>should be the same everywhere. A "law of nature" 
>would therefore > have had the flavor more of a 
>paradox than something which > obviously 
>existed." Nick: Liberty is a natural law.  It 
>makes no bias except to bring justice.  Justice 
>to those that violate liberty, life (person), 
>and property.  That's it so it's not a very 
>long understanding to master.  So since liberty 
>molds no bias various social customs flourish 
>everywhere.  Billions of people on this earth 
>demonstrate how liberty does not bias and thus 
>why the unique diversity in the billions. thanks 
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