[MD] NAP

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Ron:
> Nick,
> You use the terms "Justice" and "liberty"
> as though they stand for objective universal truths.
> MoQ rejects objective universal views.

Nick:
  What do you mean by "objective"?  They are subjective 
cause people are to be willing to minimize conflict.  That's 
what the NAP is all about.  They are moral values.  I said that 
in a previous post.  Natural rights are conflated moral values 
due to their universal ability to be applied.  But values none-the-
less that can be discarded, thrown away, and people can ignore 
liberty and justice if they want to.  Criminals (not you or anybody) 
prove liberty and justice are not objective, if by objective you 
mean unchangeability or utopian.  I haven't used objective in a 
long time.  Is that what it means?  I can't remember.

Ron:
I mean that to assume that unbias opinions exist. That law is inherent in nature
obvious to anyone. Nature is everchanging which means that natural law is everchanging
the expereincer is part of experience, everchanging.
If ideas of"Justice" and "Liberty" are everchanging they are universally meaningless.

They are culturally derived ideals based on the idea of the existence of an objective truth
in nature.









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