[MD] NAP

[blue-jay maple]

Yes he did, but they aren't objective.  They are moral values like 
I've said in numerous posts since the beginning of this exchange.

:-)

Nick


> Ron, you've made an excellent point!!!
> 
> 
> At 09:34 AM 6/8/2009, you wrote:
> > Nick, You use the terms "Justice" and "liberty" as though they 
> > stand for objective universal truths. MoQ rejects objective 
> > universal views. -Ron
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> > Â  ________________________________ From: blue-jay maple 
> > <libertytree at mail.com> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, 
> > June 8, 2009 9:31:25 AM Subject: Re: [MD] NAP > Ron: > I have 
> > only these quotes, which I agree with, to provide an > 
> > understanding about > why I think the idea of natural law and MoQ 
> > conflict. > by Pierre Charron in his De la sagesse (1601): "The 
> > sign of a > natural law must be the universal respect in which it 
> > is held, for > if there was anything that nature had truly 
> > commanded us to do, we > would undoubtedly obey it universally: 
> > not only would every nation > respect it, but every individual. 
> > Instead there is nothing in the > world that is not subject to 
> > contradiction and dispute, nothing > that is not rejected, not 
> > just by one nation, but by many; equally, > there is nothing that 
> > is strange and (in the opinion of many) > unnatural that is not 
> > approved in many countries, and authorized by > their customs." 
> > Nick: What Pierre Charron doesn't realize is free-will.  Natural 
> > Law is completely about free-will.  This is why when natural law 
> > is understood those that violate it are brought to justice.  
> > Justice is born of Liberty.  Pierre Charron seems to be talking 
> > about Newtonian applications of natural law which completely 
> > perverts it's real meaning. Ron: > And > "Aristotle > Greek 
> > philosophy emphasized the distinction between "nature" > (physis, 
> > φúσις) on the one hand and "law", "custom", or > 
> > "convention" (nomos, νóμος) on the other. What the law > 
> > commanded varied from place to place, but what was "by nature" > 
> > should be the same everywhere. A "law of nature" would therefore 
> > > have had the flavor more of a paradox than something which > 
> > obviously existed." Nick: Liberty is a natural law.  It makes no 
> > bias except to bring justice.  Justice to those that violate 
> > liberty, life (person), and property.  That's it so it's not a 
> > very long understanding to master.  So since liberty molds no 
> > bias various social customs flourish everywhere.  Billions of 
> > people on this earth demonstrate how liberty does not bias and 
> > thus why the unique diversity in the billions. thanks Nick -- Be 
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