[MD] NAP

[MarshaV]

At 09:48 AM 6/8/2009, you wrote:
>Yes he did, but they aren't objective.  They are moral values like
>I've said in numerous posts since the beginning of this exchange.


"Liberty" and "justice" are intellectual 
patterns, conceptual constructs, that last within 
the mind for a few nanosecond, yet they can 
mistakenly be objectified as having an independent existence.




> > Ron, you've made an excellent point!!!
> >
> >
> > At 09:34 AM 6/8/2009, you wrote:
> > > Nick, You use the terms "Justice" and "liberty" as though they
> > > stand for objective universal truths. MoQ rejects objective
> > > universal views. -Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > > Â  ________________________________ From: blue-jay maple
> > > <libertytree at mail.com> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org Sent: Monday,
> > > June 8, 2009 9:31:25 AM Subject: Re: [MD] NAP > Ron: > I have
> > > only these quotes, which I agree with, to provide an >
> > > understanding about > why I think the idea of natural law and MoQ
> > > conflict. > by Pierre Charron in his De la sagesse (1601): "The
> > > sign of a > natural law must be the universal respect in which it
> > > is held, for > if there was anything that nature had truly
> > > commanded us to do, we > would undoubtedly obey it universally:
> > > not only would every nation > respect it, but every individual.
> > > Instead there is nothing in the > world that is not subject to
> > > contradiction and dispute, nothing > that is not rejected, not
> > > just by one nation, but by many; equally, > there is nothing that
> > > is strange and (in the opinion of many) > unnatural that is not
> > > approved in many countries, and authorized by > their customs."
> > > Nick: What Pierre Charron doesn't realize is free-will.  Natural
> > > Law is completely about free-will.  This is why when natural law
> > > is understood those that violate it are brought to justice.Â
> > > Justice is born of Liberty.  Pierre Charron seems to be talking
> > > about Newtonian applications of natural law which completely
> > > perverts it's real meaning. Ron: > And > "Aristotle > Greek
> > > philosophy emphasized the distinction between "nature" > (physis,
> > > φúσις) on the one hand and "law", "custom", or >
> > > "convention" (nomos, νóμος) on the other. What the law >
> > > commanded varied from place to place, but what was "by nature" >
> > > should be the same everywhere. A "law of nature" would therefore
> > > > have had the flavor more of a paradox than something which >
> > > obviously existed." Nick: Liberty is a natural law.  It makes no
> > > bias except to bring justice.  Justice to those that violate
> > > liberty, life (person), and property.  That's it so it's not a
> > > very long understanding to master.  So since liberty molds no
> > > bias various social customs flourish everywhere.  Billions of
> > > people on this earth demonstrate how liberty does not bias and
> > > thus why the unique diversity in the billions. thanks Nick -- Be
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