[MD] NAP

[blue-jay maple]

> Nick previously:
> Yes he did, but they aren't objective.  They are moral values like
> I've said in numerous posts since the beginning of this exchange.
> 
> Ron:
> Moral values are culturally derived, Pirsig states that moral values
> are from a personal expereince standpoint and are universal insomuch as
> they are a culturally established agreement, not inherent in nature.

Nick:
Right.  And physics is culturally derived too.  I'm not arguing that.  Physics has 
natural laws too.  The law of gravity is a natural law if you want to call that culturally 
derived that's fine.  I have no quarrel with that.  I'm talking about the same 
Natural law, but understood in human nature.  It was culturally derived in greece 
and was developed on through the ages.  Lao-tzu, from his writings, is seen to 
have also conceptualized the natural law of human nature, too.  Buddhists are 
quite peaceful.  Ghandi was a good civil disobedient flourishing person.  He was all 
about liberty (liberation).

Ron:
> remember, dynamic quality is indefineable.

Nick:
And that's why liberty is unbiased.  It doesn't define.  I think you're getting it.

:-)

Nick



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