[MD] NAP

[blue-jay maple]

> Nick previously:
> Show me how how liberty is a crime?  Show me how initiating physical coercion
> is justice.  Give me an example.
> 
> Ron:
> Show me where I stated these things? you are bending the discussion Nick.

Nick:
No.  I didn't say you said this.  I am using rhetoric in a positive way to stimulate 
understanding in the discussion.  It's good thing.  :-)

 
> Ron prev:
> > the expereincer is part of experience, everchanging.
> > If ideas of"Justice" and "Liberty" are everchanging they are 
> > universally meaningless.
> 
> Nick previously:
> They would be.  But they aren't everchanging.  People's perception
> of what these concepts mean change, but the concepts themselves
> are defined.  A flower is still a flower.
> 
> Ron:
> This is the problem, If peoples perception of what those concepts mean
> change then the concepts themselves have changed.

Nick:
Bingo!  They would.  But these concepts have been passed down without 
veering from their definitions.  So these concepts haven't changed in meaning.

Ron:
> making "Justice" and "liberty" contextual.
> If they are contextual they do not have a universal meaning do they?

Nick:
They do in human nature.  Not universal such as gravity is liberty or just.  I wouldn't 
even know where to begin on that one.  The natural law of gravity, now what does 
that have to do with concepts born in my mind?
Liberty is universal in human nature.  Natural rights do not include animals.  Natural 
rights are of rational animals. 

Nick


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