[MD] my olive branch effort

[Ian Glendinning]

Ha, olive branch appreciated Nick.

I have to say stating your personal opinions about the qualities of
the individuals is a no win game (all about what you don't say about
about one but say about another - good or bad). It's why Ad Hominem is
really the only worthwhile moderation rule. (Personal comments best by
personal mail ... or eyeball to eyeball.)

Not beaten - When I say "lifes too short" I'm just choosing my battles
- and this is not the only battleground ;-)

Irony & rhetorical games - don't work well in e-mail. If you want to
take an extreme position as a thought experiment, it's good manners to
make it explicit - boring I know.

Ian

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:40 AM, blue-jay maple<libertytree at mail.com> wrote:
> Everybody,
>
> I would like to say that I am feeling more safe with some of you.  Ron,
> you helped me feel safe with your very civil discourse and understanding.
> We, meaning anybody, can differ on approaches.  We can disagreed on
> government.  So be it, but I think it is best to be honest on how events are.
> Sure some people may tolerate the government and may find safety in
> how it works.  At least I feel a sense of honor with that person who can
> come out and admit their adherence, but don't try to defend injustice.  I know
> that is difficult and it may seem more my personal opinion for those that
> tolerate the government.  But I have taken liberty to the radical extreme in
> deduction.  At least you know that I am for peace and I would never IPC
> (initiate physical coercion), so, at least people can surmise that from what I've
> discussed.  I know I believe in liberty very strongly and have reasoned it through
> to a considered radicalness to some (though I am no more radical than all those
> now and before that took liberty to such extremes).  I can't say I am any better or worse
> for what I pursue, but I think you can at least perceive that my effort is born
> of peace (NAP) and that is my effort in life.  I don't think that is bad, I think that is a
> good event to strive for - to minimize conflict.  So I offer the olive branch and I know I
> have shaken the foundation of what some people believe.  I am trying and my
> effort is born of care and fear.  Yes fear because of what I perceive and what that means
> in conclusion, and I have feared what some people have said in this forum.  It has
> frightened me tremendously.  I am fragile.  I just want peace.  I am glad I found some
> people who have tried to reach out and understand my peaceful intentions instead of
> some others who I see as very dangerous in their irrational dismissal (Krimel and dmb).
>
> Arlo:  I highly respect your pursuance.  I love how you really feel strongly about something
> you believe in.  You are a very principled person and I can see you don't compromise in
> what you believe in.  I greatly admire that.  And I thank you.
>
> M K:  I am happy you stepped forward to greet me.
>
> Platt:  I know in your heart you truly want freedom and you fear in great length because
> you care greatly.  Your heart is full of love.  I thank you from the bottom of my heart!
>
> Marsha:  You are a strong woman with unbounding care.  You have really been very beautiful
> in your approach.  I thank you.
>
> Ron:  You are very brave and open-minded.  You dived into what many shuttered and scattered
> from out of fear and extreme caution.  I charged in here like a raging buffalo and you met me
> with a tender heart that helped ease my fear.  If you see it from my perspective as I think you,
> Ron, have been able to.  I think you might see my fear and why I have said bluntly that I think
> other people are dangerous.  I think it is mainly a huge shift for people and I did come in here
> very strongly in what I feel deeply about - peace.  Ron in my running fear and thus my preconceptual
> distrust right off the bat due to how I saw people not understanding me and dismissing the NAP.
> And since the NAP means peace, then can anybody really question my fear and possible confusion
> on why would people reject peace?  I am a wild horse at times Ron, but you are a good hearted
> person and I can see trust in your heart through your posts.  It helped me settle down amidst the
> barrage of posts bashing me without trying to have discourse on what I meant.  When I say somebody
> is a criminal I am merely pointing out an example on the intellectual exercise of what they are concluding.
> It does not mean they want to be a criminal or murderer.  I am intellectual showing the boundaries
> of an innocent person who is trying to minimize conflict and somebody that may not recognize the
> boundaries of their actions.  Ron thank you for being civil.
>
> Andre:  Your intentions are present, but you seem to not take the time to figure out what somebody
> else means.  This is all an intellectual exercise and I am pointing out the boundaries in human action.
> For me to say you are an idiot, murderer, and criminal is a cynic move out of distrust cause I didn't see
> you try to care expect in a few instances.  I'm sorry, please don't think that I'm saying anything outside
> of an intellectual exercise.  I am merely pointing out boundaries.
>
> gav:  I'm am greatly appreciative of you.  I think you were one of the first to make an attempt to try
> to reason with me.  You asked questions and saw the questions and answers as an intellectual discourse.
> The topics of justice, crime, and liberty in any law classroom are difficult for people to handle sometimes.
> It might shake them up to look into the eyes of what somebody may never have peered into before.  But
> you are well prepared and reasonable.  I honor your effort to help bridge the intellectual discourse.  I
> Thank You.
>
> Ian:  I think you have a difficult time knowing what an intellectual exercise is and what is try about life.  You
> seem beaten like a dog and tired.  I wish I could be there in person cause it wouldn't be so bad to talk about
> these things if we saw each others faces.  I really wasn't trying to condemn you.  I wasn't doing the run around.
> I think a tremendous amount of talking past each other happened.  I feel sad that the conversation became
> challenging.  It is not everyday that misery is upon our ears.  I'm sorry.
>
> John:  I don't know you much but you seem like a fun person.  I am so happy you tried to reason with me too.
> You seem like a cool guy to hang out with.
>
> I really hope I didn't miss anybody else from the discussion.  dmb and Krimel are still assholes for what they said.
> They are gloriously arrogant.  They are basket cases of mistrust in my opinion.  I feel empathy for them, but I am
> also very fearful and do not trust them at all.  Their lack of care to reason makes me wonder how far they would
> go if we were actually close by each other physically.
>
> So thank you for those that have tried to help me feel comfortable and have taken the time to have a civil discourse.
>
>
> peace
>
> Nick
>
>
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