[MD] my olive branch effort
gav
gav_gc at yahoo.com.au
Tue Jun 9 01:19:41 PDT 2009
sorry nick,
my mistake.
thankyou for your sentiments
--- On Tue, 9/6/09, blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com> wrote:
> From: blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] my olive branch effort
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 1:04 PM
>
> gav:
> > i didn't say what you quoted me as saying.
> > for the record.
>
> Nick:
> Oh Lord. I didn't quote anybody in this post.
> What are you
> talking about?
>
> Nick
>
>
> >
> > --- On Tue, 9/6/09, blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com>
> > > Subject: [MD] my olive branch effort
> > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 11:40 AM
> > > Everybody,
> > >
> > > I would like to say that I am feeling more safe
> with some
> > > of you. Ron, you helped me feel safe with
> your very civil discourse and
> > > understanding.
> > > We, meaning anybody, can differ on
> approaches. We can
> > > disagreed on government. So be it, but I
> think it is best to be
> > > honest on how events are. Sure some people
> may tolerate the
> > > government and may find
> > > safety in how it works. At least I feel a
> sense of honor with
> > > that person who can come out and admit their
> adherence, but don't
> > > try to defend
> > > injustice. I know that is difficult and it
> may seem more my personal opinion
> > > for those that tolerate the government. But
> I have taken liberty to
> > > the radical extreme in deduction. At least
> you know that I am for peace and
> > > I would never IPC (initiate physical coercion),
> so, at least people can
> > > surmise that from what I've discussed. I
> know I believe in
> > > liberty very strongly
> > > and have reasoned it through to a considered
> radicalness to some
> > > (though I am no more
> > > radical than all those now and before that took
> liberty to such extremes). I
> > > can't say I am any better or worse for what I
> pursue, but I think
> > > you can at least perceive
> > > that my effort is born of peace (NAP) and that is
> my effort in life. I don't
> > > think that is bad, I think that is a good event
> to strive for -
> > > to minimize conflict. So I
> > > offer the olive branch and I know I have shaken
> the foundation of
> > > what some people
> > > believe. I am trying and my effort is born
> of care and fear.
> > > Yes fear because of
> > > what I perceive and what that means in
> conclusion, and I have
> > > feared what some people have said
> > > in this forum. It has frightened me
> tremendously. I am fragile. I
> > > just want peace. I am glad I found some
> people who have tried to
> > > reach out and understand my
> > > peaceful intentions instead of some others who I
> see as very
> > > dangerous in their irrational
> > > dismissal (Krimel and dmb). Arlo: I
> highly respect your pursuance. I love
> > > how you really feel strongly about something you
> believe in. You
> > > are a very principled person and
> > > I can see you don't compromise in what you
> believe in. I greatly
> > > admire that. And
> > > I thank you.
> > >
> > > M K: I am happy you stepped forward to
> greet me.
> > >
> > > Platt: I know in your heart you truly want
> freedom
> > > and you fear in great length because you care
> greatly. Your
> > > heart is full of love. I
> > > thank you from the bottom of my heart!
> > >
> > > Marsha: You are a strong woman with
> unbounding
> > > care. You have really been very beautiful
> in your approach. I thank you.
> > >
> > > Ron: You are very brave and
> open-minded. You
> > > dived into what many shuttered and scattered from
> out of fear and
> > > extreme caution. I charged in
> > > here like a raging buffalo and you met me with a
> tender heart
> > > that helped ease my fear. If you
> > > see it from my perspective as I think you, Ron,
> have been able
> > > to. I think you might see my fear
> > > and why I have said bluntly that I think other
> people are
> > > dangerous. I think it is mainly a
> > > huge shift for people and I did come in here very
> strongly in
> > > what I feel deeply about - peace. Ron in my
> running fear and thus
> > > my preconceptual distrust right off the bat due
> to how I saw
> > > people not
> > > understanding me and dismissing the NAP.
> And since the NAP means
> > > peace, then can anybody really
> > > question my fear and possible confusion on why
> would people
> > > reject peace? I am a wild horse
> > > at times Ron, but you are a good hearted person
> and I can see
> > > trust in your heart through your
> > > posts. It helped me settle down amidst the
> barrage of posts
> > > bashing me without trying to have
> > > discourse on what I meant. When I say
> somebody is a criminal I
> > > am merely pointing out an example on the
> > > intellectual exercise of what they are
> concluding. It does not
> > > mean they want to be a criminal or
> > > murderer. I am intellectual showing the
> boundaries of an
> > > innocent person who is trying to minimize
> conflict
> > > and somebody that may not recognize the
> boundaries of their
> > > actions. Ron thank you for being
> > > civil.
> > >
> > > Andre: Your intentions are present, but you
> seem to
> > > not take the time to figure out what somebody
> else means. This
> > > is all an intellectual exercise and
> > > I am pointing out the boundaries in human
> action. For me to say
> > > you are an idiot, murderer, and criminal is a
> > > cynic move out of distrust cause I didn't see you
> try to care
> > > expect in a few instances. I'm sorry,
> > > please don't think that I'm saying anything
> outside of an
> > > intellectual exercise. I am merely pointing
> out
> > > boundaries.
> > >
> > > gav: I'm am greatly appreciative of
> you. I
> > > think you were one of the first to make an
> attempt to try to
> > > reason with me. You asked questions and saw
> the
> > > questions and answers as an intellectual
> discourse. The topics
> > > of justice, crime, and liberty in any law
> > > classroom are difficult for people to handle
> > > sometimes. It might shake them up to look
> into the eyes of what
> > > somebody may never have peered into before.
> But you are well
> > > prepared and reasonable. I honor your
> > > effort to help bridge the intellectual
> discourse. I Thank You.
> > >
> > > Ian: I think you have a difficult time
> knowing what
> > > an intellectual exercise is and what is try
> about
> > > life. You seem beaten like a dog and
> tired. I wish I could be
> > > there in person cause it wouldn't be so bad to
> talk about these
> > > things if we saw each others faces. I
> really
> > > wasn't trying to condemn you. I wasn't
> doing the run
> > > around. I think a tremendous amount of
> talking past each other
> > > happened. I feel sad that the conversation
> became challenging.
> > > It is not everyday that misery is upon
> > > our ears. I'm sorry.
> > >
> > > John: I don't know you much but you seem
> like a fun
> > > person. I am so happy you tried to reason
> with me
> > > too. You seem like a cool guy to hang out
> with.
> > >
> > > I really hope I didn't miss anybody else from
> the
> > > discussion. dmb and Krimel are still
> assholes for what
> > > they said. They are gloriously
> arrogant. They are basket cases
> > > of mistrust in my opinion. I feel empathy
> for them,
> > > but I am also very fearful and do not trust them
> at all. Their
> > > lack of care to reason makes me wonder how far
> they would go if
> > > we were actually close by each other physically.
> > >
> > > So thank you for those that have tried to help me
> feel
> > > comfortable and have taken the time to have a
> civil
> > > discourse. peace
> > >
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