[MD] head, heart, hands and gumption

[MarshaV]

There, that's better.



At 01:26 PM 5/3/2009, you wrote:
>DMB:
>
>O.K. no more movie quotes but it was fun.
>
>You observed that life can seem pointless and 
>repetitious ( in Detroit, for example ). I think 
>we can agree that you are observing a low quality static holding pattern.
>
>I claim that your observation implies the 
>hypothesis: There must be a better way.
>
>I further claim that the only way to test this 
>hypothesis is to live differently.
>
>Therefore talking, or hypothesizing, might be a 
>necessary first step towards a higher quality 
>situation, but it is insufficient. One needs gumption.
>
>And gumption is where the rubber meets the road. 
>Gumption is action. Gumption is taking chances.
>
>I get the sense that you take gumption for granted. Am I wrong?
>
>you point out:
>"I think this is what Pirsig is talking about when he says that one of
>the biggest gumption suckers is value rigidity. Holding fast to static
>patterns is what gets us stuck. And this stuckness is the prelude to a
>dynamic expansion of values."
>
>Is it a prelude? Obviously some people don't ever get un-stuck.
>
>My point in all of this is that the moq is 
>meaningless if it is not actually applied in some living way.
>
>...Our dried voices, when
>We whisper together
>Are quiet and meaningless
>As wind in dry grass
>Or rats' feet over broken glass
>In our dry cellar ...
>
>Or perhaps we agree.
>
>
>
>
>--- On Sun, 5/3/09, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [MD] head, heart and hands
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 2:56 AM
>
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>
>vonderwueste said to dmb: "Don't dream it ... BE 
>it" - Rocky Horror The things that you mentioned 
>represent low quality static holding patterns. 
>Your implicit hypothesis states: There must be a better way.
>  How do you suppose we might test the validity of this hypothesis?
>
>"He received no official clearance ... he just 
>thought it up and did it ... the balls!" - Willard
>
>
>dmb says:
>Sorry, but you lost me. I can see that you don't 
>approve but that's about all I can see. While 
>it's not crazy to think there must be a better 
>way, I don't see how this is my "implied" 
>hypothesis. That thought never crossed my mind.
>And yes, Kurtz got off the boat and split from 
>the whole fucking program. Yes, Kurtz was 
>brilliant and he had balls. But it's also true 
>that Kurtz was psychotic. He was a monster. 
>Willard is a successful hero because he resisted 
>the temptation to replace Kurtz.
>Did you somehow get the impression that my 
>advice was to just dream and watch movies 
>instead of live your life? That is definitely 
>NOT what I'm saying. As you may have noticed in 
>the Campbell quotes I posted in my reply to 
>Marsha, the journey is not something that can be 
>accomplished vicariously. As he and so many 
>others have pointed out, it's something we all 
>have to do alone. This mythology stuff is a 
>living, breathing thing. Artists like Coppola 
>are constantly finding new ways to evoke and inspire people with these symbols.
>And as for the "low quality static holding 
>patterns". The actual and explicit hypothesis is quite the opposite...
>"The agony of breaking through personal 
>limitations is the agony of spiritual growth. 
>Art, literature, myth and cult, philosophy, and 
>ascetic disciplines are instruments to help the 
>individual past his limiting horizons into 
>spheres of ever-expanding realizations." Campbell 190
>"The mythological hero is the champion not of 
>things become but of things becoming; the dragon 
>to be slain by hims is precisely the monster of 
>the status quo: Holdfast, the keeper of the 
>past. ..With a gesture as simple as the pressing 
>of a button, he annihilates the impressive 
>configurations. The hero-deed is a continuous 
>shattering of the crystallizations of the 
>moment. The cycle rolls: mythology focuses on 
>the growing point. Transformation, fluidity, not 
>stubborn ponderosity, is the characteristic of 
>the living God. ..Briefly, the ogre-tyrant is 
>the champion of the prodigious fact, the hero 
>the champion of creative life." Campbell 337
>I think this is what Pirsig is talking about 
>when he says that one of the biggest gumption 
>suckers is value rigidity. Holding fast to 
>static patterns is what gets us stuck. And this 
>stuckness is the prelude to a dynamic expansion 
>of values. Different terms, same idea.
>For whatever it's worth,
>dmb
>
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