[MD] suspended in language

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi Matt, Marsha,

Been sidetracked by the Bo logic of late, but I think we have some
paths crossing here.

The problem with the total relativism, suspension in language, view is
that it does indeed end up being relative to the individual in
isolation.

I keep suggesting two angles we need to pin down to sort of the social
/ intellectual confusion, namely freedom vs authority and individual
vs collective. I don't believe that the individual / freedom extreme
(maximum DQ in isolation, full stop) can be the optimum position (and
that Pirsig ever intended that).

Regards
Ian

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Matt Kundert
<pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> One of the rhetorical bonuses of relativism is that it radically endorses the desire to go it alone.
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> One of my growing suspicions about you, Marsha, punched up by your endorsement of a slogan like "we are suspended in language" (one that enters fully into a tradition that includes the Romantics, Emerson, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Derrida, Quine, Sellars, and most notoriously in America in the last 50 years, Rorty), is that you prefer to be alone in your philosophy.  Often times in the discussion group of late, it has seemed to me that people who'd otherwise be your friends, you'd rather not.
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> Relativism can be a lonely place, and not just because Plato made Protagoras out to be a bad guy.
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>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:21:59 -0400
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>> I had recently proclaimed myself to be a Relativist, and received much
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