[MD] Some historical perspective

[Matt Kundert]

Ron said:
Every quote that is not agreed with or runs counter to 
her position are gusts in the wind. was'nt going to go 
down that road again with her Matt. 
sorry if you think it was out of line, I felt My source 
mattered little in the conversation Marsha repeatedly 
stated she has no time for any sort of authoritative 
quotes, they are meaningless to her, so I took her 
request as a rhetorical device to shut me up.

Matt:
Well, again, fair enough, but I still doubt that line is the 
best taken.  Not rising to the bait would be to ask Marsha 
why quotations from other people offend her, and then 
just not be offended when she takes offense.

It's like that scene in The Contender, when Joan Allen 
says she's done nothing wrong and she has nothing to 
feel ashamed about, and Jeff Bridges tells her that she 
damn well better not _look_ ashamed then.

Going down that road, of course, might cause some 
soul-searching on all our parts on the question of 
"philosophology," of why, as Bo put it somewhat the 
other day, we ignore all intellectual scholars except 
those that already agree with us (like all our different 
versions of Pirsig).  Such a question is too easily 
postponed by all of us, and the throw-away laughter of 
Marsha is only matched ten times by the risible 
scaffolding looking down on her.  That's why it's 
laughable in Bo, but not Marsha--Marsha is _actually_ 
facing down History, whereas Bo doesn't even seem to 
realize that the weight of tradition is demonstrably on 
his side, and that his casting of himself in the role of 
"radical outsider" is funny from the arch-conservative.

I may not think Marsha laughs and scoffs in all the right 
places, but (I'd like to think) I know why she does it.

Matt

> 
> Matt said:
> Wait, are you making a joke about Ron's very odd denial 
> of telling people the authority he's quoting?
> 
> Ron said:
> My very odd denial was in response to recognizing the 
> particular rhetorical devices employed by their request.
> (this Charlie Brown is tellin lucy to find another sucker).
> 
> Matt:
> Fair enough.  I have to say, as rowdy as Marsha can get, 
> I saw none of it in that particular request, the rhetorical 
> device appeared to be what they call a "question," it 
> seemed quite polite, your response seemed out of 
> nowhere, and--on top of all that--I cannot for life of me 
> imagine why someone would quote without attribution: if 
> the whole idea of bringing outsides authorities in is to 
> bolster your argument, or whatever, lack of attribution 
> just makes them your words, in an odd kind of stealing 
> (for no apparent reason).
> 
> It's just weird, and I was wondering the same thing as 
> Marsha.  The large blockquotes with no attribution have 
> the effect of gusts of wind through a conversation: 
> meaningless, and a little annoying.
> 
> Ron:
> Every quote that is not agreed with or runs counter to her position
> are gusts in the wind.was'nt going to go down that road again with her Matt.
> sorry if you think it was out of line,I felt My source mattered little in the conversation
> Marsha repeatedly stated she has no time for any sort of authoritative quotes,
> they are meaningless to her, so I took her request as a rhetorical device to shut me up.
> 
>       MarshaV valkyr at att.net 
> Wed Sep 2 06:05:00 PDT 2009 
> "The only opinion of my interpretation that could move me would be that of
> Mr. Pirsig, and he has not stated an objections."
>  
> Mon Aug 17 08:37:06 PDT 2009 
> But your definition is relative to your "take", not mine, not even the
> infamous Wiki's.  
> 
> MarshaV valkyr at att.net 
> Mon Aug 17 08:18:53 PDT 2009 
> Rorty says?  You must be kidding!  Has Rorty become King of the World?  
> Has Rorty replaced Wikipedia?
> 
> MarshaV valkyr at att.net 
> Sat Aug 15 22:49:09 PDT 2009 
> Marsha:
> See what?  You've offered words, and I do see them as evidence
>  
> MarshaV valkyr at att.net 
> Wed Sep 2 06:25:52 PDT 2009 
> You constant presentation of wiki-thought, and lack of original 
> explanation is boring...
 		 	   		  
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