[MD] QRE: The 4th. level's two interpretations. Par

[mark_maxwell at talktalk.net]

Hi Squonk,

I think it is interesting to think of a hierarchy of levels of
awareness, such as that described by Ken Wilbur, as related to the MOQ
hierarchy of types of patterns of value, but many here have confused
the two ideas. The "level of awareness" idea has an "intellectual
level" that represents people who are aware of intellectual patterns
as well as social, biological, and inorganic patterns (rather than the
collection of all intellectual patterns). The fallout of this thinking
has been that it would seem that one who is aware of the interplay
between the four different types of patterns of value and DQ has an
awareness that transcends the "intellectual level of awareness." While
I can agree that we can think of a "second tier" or "MOQ perspective"
that can put these other levels of awareness into perspective, these
levels of awareness are nothing not at all Pirsig meant by his
evolutionary hierarchy of types of patterns of value. Though a "second
tier" may be needed for the idea of levels of awareness, no fifth
level is needed in the MOQ where the Pirsigian sense of a level is a
collection of all patterns of value of a given type rather than a
level of awareness.

Best,
Steve

Hi Steve,
I sometimes sympathise with a panpsychic argument because it intuitively feels right to attribute values to 'awareness'.
In order for quality to increase, awareness would have to be able to continually value better states. This sounds like the function ascribed to DQ in the moq to me; awareness is DQ, and its preferences are sq patterns.

All the best,
squonk