[MD] what do we mean by "real"?

[MarshaV]

Ian,

What is the dead end that causes so much fear?  Or maybe that is fear in the
West...    


Marsha







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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:12 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] what do we mean by "real"?

True, so we're all pragmatists again, who recognize that we don't find
real meaning in dictionaries, just definitions, but ...

"Reality, in it's closest definition, are those concepts that have
practicle consequences in experience"

We just fall back again on agreeing what counts as ...
Experience - that doesn't lead us off down the subjective / relativist
dead end again.
Consequences - the significance of all possible causal effects - what
counts as "causation".

Ian

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Matt Kundert
<pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good point.
>
>> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:41:10 -0800
>> From: xacto at rocketmail.com
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: [MD] what do we mean by "real"?
>>
>
>>
>> For "reality" is a raw unconceptualized experience filtered through
memory
>> and culture to be "understood". To say that something is not real,
presupposes
>> a reality that can be known, which as a follower of MoQ knows, we can
not.
>> Reality, in it's closest definition, are those concepts that have
practicle consequences
>> in experience. Which is hardly an "anything goes" proposition.
>
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