[MD] in defence of the "relative"

Thu Nov 12 07:35:14 PST 2009

How do you know pre-intellectual experience is the absolute measure of the
good?

How do you know quality is the absolute measure of the good?

My opinion is that DQ and sq are co-dependent, like the Buddhists' form and
emptiness, or conventional truth and Ultimate Truth. And of course my
opinion is relative of my knowledge which represents, in my opinion, my
static patterns of value.  If your statements are true in any absolute way,
please explain how? 

Marsha

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pre-intellectual experience is the absolute measure of the good.
Dynamic quality is the absolute measure of the good.

Dynamic quality and preintellectual experience are indefinable
and are everchanging and in constant flux. 
Static quality is relative to dynamic experience
Static quality is relative to the perception of dynamic
experience.
Dynamic experience is not relative to static quality
because dynamic quality is indefinable and everchanging.

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Ron,

And isn't experience dependent on static patterns (history) and Dynamic
Quality (spontaneous moment)?  So isn't relative as stated in the quote:  

"The reason there is a difference between individual evaluations of quality
is that although Dynamic Quality is a constant, these static patterns are
different for everyone because each person has a different static pattern of
life history. Both the Dynamic Quality and the static patterns influence his
final judgment. That is why there is some uniformity among individual value
judgments but not complete uniformity."    
  (RMP, SODV)

How are you defining 'experience' as absolute?  What is your definition of
absolute?

Marsha

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experience

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Ron,

Do you know of an absolute measure of the good?  

Marsha 

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Marsha:
The MoQ Dynamic Quality and static quality arise co-dependently as stated in
the following quote:  

"The reason there is a difference between individual evaluations of quality
is that although Dynamic Quality is a constant, these static patterns are
different for everyone because each person has a different static pattern of
life history. Both the Dynamic Quality and the static patterns influence his
final judgment. That is why there is some uniformity among individual value
judgments but not complete uniformity."    
  (RMP, SODV) 

Marsha adds:
This seems to indicate that the MoQ is relativistic based on memory/history
(static patterns) and the spontaneity of the moment (Dynamic Quality). Both
are present and co-dependent in every event.  

Ron:
I don't think that can be argued, and it makes sense to me, the arguement
that really
is the contention, at least I think so, with relativism, is the charge that
"truth" and "good"
is anything you like. Now, as Matt stated this could be a misunderstanding
of meaning.
As Steve pointed out Pragmatism is famously charged with this and the one
Pirsig addrress
that Matt feels was uncalled for.

Now before we go any further, is this the subject of the discussion you wish
to follow?
because if not, and your interest lies in co-dependancy, then I really don't
think you 
will get much disagreement. But on the notion that the "Good" is relative to
what you like,
then there is some discussion to be had on the difference of opinions that I
feel is worth
getting into.
But on the subject of codependancy I think there are many who would agree.

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