[MD] in defence of the "relative"

[MarshaV]

Hi Matt,

Since before your birth, I have thought that the entire universe contributes
to the entire universe, and nothing could be as it is without the universe
being what it is: the net of jewels.  I have also thought that the everyday
world is what we think it to be.  This is my articulated viewpoint and why I
call myself a relativist, and why I am so convinced the MoQ, which sees
existence as the interplay between unpatterned experience and patterned
experience, is so great.  What human's know, how they know it, and what that
implies about reality?  We have opinions, and often we haven't the slightest
idea where these ideas come from, or the slightest idea of their
implications on our world-view.  

Determining the difference between 'your pragmatism' and 'my relativism'
will tell us what?  I prefer the word 'relativism', and happen to think that
relativism AND pragmatism complement each other and the complement the MoQ.
I am investigating relativism because I am curious how it is playing in the
Church of Reason.  I am investigating relativism because I want see if there
are any horrible aspects that I need to consider.  But no, the concept is
holding up, and as far as analogies go, it seems a keeper. 

You, Matt, seem to want to make this a discussion about style, which I can
see would be of interest to a post-graduate student studying Literature, but
I don't think I have anything to offer on the subject. I'm not sure how my
viewpoint can be of interest to you, but here it is:  The Universe is
uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a reflection of all the
others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end. Lovely isn't it?
So now Matt, what do you know, how do you know it, and what does it say
about existence?   


Marsha     




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Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"


That hasn't quite been the viewpoint I've been extending, Marsha.  The
viewpoint I've been trying to extend to you is something like this:

When you are ready (after your desired period of investigation) to
articulate your philosophical viewpoint (which you currently desire to call
"relativism"), we can then compare notes between that viewpoint and the
philosophical viewpoint we can simply assume for the sake of argument I will
still hold at this future date (a viewpoint I currently want to call
"pragmatism").

Will there be any difference between your relativism and my pragmatism?
Right now, I think it's 50/50 there will be any substantive differences.

Matt


> Morning Ron,
> 
> Our difference seems to be too great to continue this discussion.  You,
Matt
> and Steve seem to prefer pragmatism over relativism, I believe they both
may
> compliment the MoQ.  But in the long run, from my point-of-view, there is
> nothing to know and no one to know it, and this makes our disagreeing
> amusing, but trivial, and I'm sure very boring for all other posters.  
> 
>  
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
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