[MD] in defence of the "relative"

[craigerb at comcast.net]

[ Steve] 
> What I mean when I say that I know something is that I think I am > justified in believing that what I am saying is true. 


You also assert that it is true. 
"I believe p but I may be wrong." 
"I have justification for p but I may be wrong." 
But generally not "I know p but I may be wrong." 

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[Steve, from "Lexicon"] 
>  What one may be justified in believing to be true may not actually 
> be true. Truth is independent of justification and belief. 



Practically independent or conceptually/logically independent.  It is true that having justification 
or having belief,  does not guarantee truth.  But the concepts are not totally independent. 
Could there be a truth which it is logically impossible to believe or justifiy? 
Craig