[MD] Emotions

[mark_maxwell at talktalk.net]

Hi Andre,
Thanks for taking the time to write this.
I think it’s something serious to consider.

Squonk to Andre:
That awareness which RMP identifies as pre-intellectual experience is that which i am suggesting may be identical with emotional response. The social assigns symbols to emotions but these symbols are not themselves emotions. The intellect may abstract further, but I feel pretty sure i experience emotions without the necessity of postulate their existence.
　
Andre:
The existence of emotions is not in question here. To assume their existence is a high quality intellectual PoV because they offer a high probability 'explanation' of what happens at the organic and social level.

Squonk:
But this may be re-stated as,
1. ‘An intellectual pattern that assumes the existence of quality is emotionally satisfying.’

Andre:
What we are exploring here is your: 'If quality is not the same thing as an emotional biological response to it, how is quality experienced?

Squonk:
Yes.

Andre:
Let's be clear on what we are talking about: Quality is the 'undifferentiated aesthetic continuum'.

Squonk:
I think DQ is regarded this way.
We may now choose to re-state 1.
2. ‘An intellectual pattern that assumes the existence of the 'undifferentiated aesthetic continuum’ is emotionally satisfying.’
It may be thought that I am being difficult here Andre?
But please bare with me for a moment?
You see, it occurs to me that ipov’s and spov’s have to be sanctioned by emotional appeal, because ipov’s and spov’s don’t have nervous systems - they impinge upon nervous systems.

Andre:
It is the continuing stimulus which the environment puts upon us.
How is it experienced?
Well, you asked for my 'own thinking upon the matter', the experience dissolves (momentarily [ time is at zero]) all static PoV's. ( I am sure you recall the examples Pirsig uses in Lila and the description in ZMM).

Squonk:
I understand the process.
I fully incorporated it into the, ‘The edge of Chaos’ exploration of Dynamic coherence within the event stream.
I can walk the walk Andre, if I choose. But sometimes it can be refreshing to plough old ground after leaving it fallow for a while.

Andre:
What I find very difficult to accept is that, as you argue, the response to Quality is (solely) emotional.

Squonk:
Let us assume that ipov’s and spov’s are broken up by DQ and are rearranged in the event stream?
All well and good, but after they are rearranged I suggest it is the emotions which sanction the aesthetic of the new arrangement.
This is soley emotional by definition of the nervous system.
See?
I now have to try and explain this, and accommodate it somehow.

Andre:
Empiricism works , at least, with all the 5 sense of which kinesthetics is only one. Not to mention, on top of these five there are also intuition, imagination etc, etc. It is in this sense I spoke of the helpfulness of Bodvar's 'expression list'. An expression list as responding to... . Now, if this has led you to be pissed off with me by saying: I apologise, i had been taking you seriously. ...then I am sorry to hear this. I am not MoQ expert, and will certainly not behave myself as 'a propagandist for a particular cause' as the Chairman was in ZMM (p385). I am looking for high quality MoQ explanations by exploring it. If emotion is the way Quality is experienced then how does this explain evolution?
Anyway, perhaps you have given up on me Squonk.

Alas. Kind regards
Andre
 
Squonk:
I’m not pissed of with you Andre.
Anyone who is self deprecating enough to regard themselves as un-expert is charming in my estimation.
I too regard myself as un-expert.
And like your good self, I’m exploring.

Emiricism may work, but it may work because emotions are good at making it work?

All the best,
squonk