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[skutvik at online.no]

Dear Steve

13 Nov.:

> Your misconception is that one can "live inside" a metaphysical system
> which is a description of reality and not reality itself.

Poor Steve I have had you corenered for a long time as a fraud, but 
instead of admitting anything you launch an alleged counter-argument. 
The above took me some time to de-cipher, but I guess it means the 
trite "reality in itself versus theories about reality". If you had the ability 
to understand the "Newton Gravity" example in ZAMM you would 
understand what Pirsig while he still were Phaedrus thought about it.  

LILA p 68:
    As long as you're inside a logical, coherent universe of thought 
    you can't escape metaphysics.  Logical positivism's criteria for 
    "meaningfulness" were pure metaphysics..  cornered

And this is just right. What characterizes the human race is its 
relentless ordering of existence. Wherever explorers went the people 
they met all had a metaphysical explanation of (their) existence. This 
spelt the transition from the biological to the social level IMO. Had 
Pirsig just stuck to this great insight all would have been fine, but true 
to (his) tradition he went on to abolish it by speaking about the 
Aristotelian kind of metaphysics  "a branch of philosophy ..etc."  which 
is SOM's "subjective description of an reality in itself" something that 
gives all you arch-somist a handle to destroy the MOQ.

Good Grief. 

Bodvar   








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> Best,
> Steve
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> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:55 AM,  <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> > Hi Steve
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> > 12 Nov-:
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> > I had spoken
> >> > Are you on "auto" mode?  Pirsig REJECTS the thinking (=mind)
> >> > definition of intellect. In addition he says that it's no use
> >> > speaking about the 4th. level much before the Greeks*). And
> >> > "Greeks" spells SOM. In other words: Intellect=SOM!
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> > Steve
> >> From PT letter: "The argument that the MOQ is not an intellectual
> >> formulation but some kind of other level is not clear to me. There
> >> is nothing in the MOQ that I know of that leads to this
> >> conclusion."
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> > Right, intellect as SOM requires the MOQ to be beyond intellect, but
> > Jeez isn't it plain that intellect is a MOQ level, not the other way
> > round, the MOQ contained inside as subset of its own which violates
> > Pirsig's own "container logic" and every logic there is.
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> > For instance, where is SOM in SOM? It's the invisible "crystal
> > sphere" that all somists lives inside. Right now as the MOQ strives
> > to establish itself, it is most visible, but imagine a future when
> > the Quality Reality has become established, then IT will turn into
> > the invisible "crystal sphere" people live inside.
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> > It must be great not hampered by logic
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> > Bodvar
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