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[Steven Peterson]

Hi Bo,

Steve:
>> Your misconception is that one can "live inside" a metaphysical system
>> which is a description of reality and not reality itself.

Bo:
> Poor Steve I have had you corenered for a long time as a fraud, but
> instead of admitting anything you launch an alleged counter-argument.

Steve:
A fraud? Don't you think that I am as sincere as you are in my views?


Bo:
> The above took me some time to de-cipher, but I guess it means the
> trite "reality in itself versus theories about reality". If you had the ability
> to understand the "Newton Gravity" example in ZAMM you would
> understand what Pirsig while he still were Phaedrus thought about it.


Steve:
Yes, that's what I meant. You think one person's metaphysics is that
person's reality. I think metaphysics is a philosphical concern and
philosphy is only one aspect of reality.




Bo quotes:
> LILA p 68:
>    As long as you're inside a logical, coherent universe of thought
>    you can't escape metaphysics.  Logical positivism's criteria for
>    "meaningfulness" were pure metaphysics..  cornered

Steve:
This quote does lend some support for your view of metaphysics as a
worldview rather than as philosophy. If metaphysics is a worldview,
then one cannot escape metaphysics. But if metaphysics is the attempt
to get past appearances to reality as it really is, then we don't have
to do metaphysics. We don't have to play "reality seems like this, but
it is actually the interplay of fire, water, earth, and wind" or
matter and energy or absolute mind or even Quality. In fact, I see the
MOQ is an anti-metaphysics in this regard. It says that that we should
stop playing "reality seems like this but is really...." and instead
just pay attention.



Bo:
> And this is just right. What characterizes the human race is its
> relentless ordering of existence. Wherever explorers went the people
> they met all had a metaphysical explanation of (their) existence.

Do you see a difference between "an explanation of their existence"
and a "metaphysical explanation of their experience"?

I still think the issue is that you see metaphysics as a worldview
rather than as part of the high country of he mind. The place few even
choose to go.

Best,
Steve