[MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

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> > Platt:
> > This creative force, DQ, precludes your nihilistic idea that the
> universe
> > evolved as the result of dumb luck, or miraculously "emerged" from a
> > kind of pseudoscientific pantheistic poker game.
> >
> >
> >
> > Platt:
> > There's no evidence it is some sort of higher intelligence or acts in
> > accord with a predetermined plan.
> >
> > Ron:
> > So Platt which is it? no higher intellegence sounds like dumb luck to me.
>
> Platt:
> None of the above. It's Quality, the "force of evolutionary creation."
> (Lila, 17} Chapter 11 pretty much explains the whole thing.
>
> Ron:
> none of the above.....Chptr 11 pretty much explains how this force has no
> intentional direction
>
Platt:
No intentional direction?  "Natural selection is Dynamic Quality at work."
(Lila, 11)  Sounds like intentional direction to me, from amoeba to man. Or
are you, like Arlo, of the "Oops" school of evolution, or the "survival of
the fittest" school which, as Pirsig points out, doesn't say anything?

Ron:
Well what is natural selection if not survival of the fittest?
undefined betterness? undefined betterness
is still undefined, and betterness simply put, is existing. 
Undefined existing. Sounds like "I dont know" to me
Seems to me you hide in generalities and vagueness.

Ron prev:
plus I'm addressing what you are saying not Pirsig. Seems to me you are
splitting hairs as not

> to agree with Arlo about anything.

Cutting off ones nose to spite their own face so to speak.
>

Platt:
Fine, if that's what you think. Be my guest. You offer no evidence, however.

Ron:
Your contradictory statements at the begining of this post is not any sort of
evidence? do you even know what your own thoughts are? or are you simply
denying anything Arlo says? thats my question. with plenty of conflicting
statements from you as "evidence". If thats not evidence than you are so dilusional
nothing is any sort of evidence.

Ron:
> I just find it odd you contradict two of your own comments, which
> incidently contradict eachother too.

Platt:
Like what?

Ron:
> > Platt:
> > This creative force, DQ, precludes your nihilistic idea that the
> universe
> > evolved as the result of dumb luck, or miraculously "emerged" from a
> > kind of pseudoscientific pantheistic poker game.
> >
> >
> >
> > Platt:
> > There's no evidence it is some sort of higher intelligence or acts in
> > accord with a predetermined plan.
> >
> > Ron:
> > So Platt which is it? no higher intellegence sounds like dumb luck to me.
>
> Platt:
> None of the above. It's Quality, the "force of evolutionary creation."
> (Lila, 17} Chapter 11 pretty much explains the whole thing.

Ron:

> How is it that you understand Pirsig better than your own opinons?
>
Platt:
So you think I understand Pirsig?  Thanks for the compliment, I think.

Ron:
OH yea, it's a compliment Platt...it's a compliment alright.

Back to the question, how do you know Pirsig better than your self?