[MD] MOQ and the Future: An Inquiry into Usefulness

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On 16 Nov 2009 at 4:24, X Acto wrote:

> 
> > > Platt:
> > > This creative force, DQ, precludes your nihilistic idea that the
> > universe
> > > evolved as the result of dumb luck, or miraculously "emerged" from a
> > > kind of pseudoscientific pantheistic poker game.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Platt:
> > > There's no evidence it is some sort of higher intelligence or acts in
> > > accord with a predetermined plan.
> > >
> > > Ron:
> > > So Platt which is it? no higher intellegence sounds like dumb luck to me.
> >
> > Platt:
> > None of the above. It's Quality, the "force of evolutionary creation."
> > (Lila, 17} Chapter 11 pretty much explains the whole thing.
> >
> > Ron:
> > none of the above.....Chptr 11 pretty much explains how this force has no
> > intentional direction
> >
> Platt:
> No intentional direction?  "Natural selection is Dynamic Quality at work."
> (Lila, 11)  Sounds like intentional direction to me, from amoeba to man. Or
> are you, like Arlo, of the "Oops" school of evolution, or the "survival of
> the fittest" school which, as Pirsig points out, doesn't say anything?
> 
> Ron:
> Well what is natural selection if not survival of the fittest?
> undefined betterness? undefined betterness
> is still undefined, and betterness simply put, is existing. 
> Undefined existing. Sounds like "I dont know" to me
> Seems to me you hide in generalities and vagueness.

Please read what Pirsig says about "survival of the fittest" in Chap. 11. 


> Ron prev:
> plus I'm addressing what you are saying not Pirsig. Seems to me you are
> splitting hairs as not
> 
> > to agree with Arlo about anything.
> 
> Cutting off ones nose to spite their own face so to speak.
> >
> 
> Platt:
> Fine, if that's what you think. Be my guest. You offer no evidence, however.
> 
> Ron:
> Your contradictory statements at the begining of this post is not any sort of
> evidence? do you even know what your own thoughts are? or are you simply
> denying anything Arlo says? thats my question. with plenty of conflicting
> statements from you as "evidence". If thats not evidence than you are so dilusional
> nothing is any sort of evidence.

Again, no evidence. Just accusations. 

> 
> Ron:
> > I just find it odd you contradict two of your own comments, which
> > incidently contradict eachother too.
> 
> Platt:
> Like what?
> 
> Ron:
> > > Platt:
> > > This creative force, DQ, precludes your nihilistic idea that the
> > universe
> > > evolved as the result of dumb luck, or miraculously "emerged" from a
> > > kind of pseudoscientific pantheistic poker game.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Platt:
> > > There's no evidence it is some sort of higher intelligence or acts in
> > > accord with a predetermined plan.
> > >
> > > Ron:
> > > So Platt which is it? no higher intellegence sounds like dumb luck to me.
> >
> > Platt:
> > None of the above. It's Quality, the "force of evolutionary creation."
> > (Lila, 17} Chapter 11 pretty much explains the whole thing.
> 
> Ron:
> 
> > How is it that you understand Pirsig better than your own opinons?
> >
> Platt:
> So you think I understand Pirsig?  Thanks for the compliment, I think.
> 
> Ron:
> OH yea, it's a compliment Platt...it's a compliment alright.
> 
> Back to the question, how do you know Pirsig better than your self?

Is that a real question or just another accusation? If a real question it's 
nonsensical.